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This blog examines the apostolic-prophetic movement (also known as the “New Apostolic Reformation“) — a fast-growing movement within charismatic and Pentecostal churches that promotes modern-day apostles and prophets with great authority, supernatural powers, and the ability to give new doctrinal revelation. Advocates of this movement believe that all people, nations, and demonic principalities must submit to these apostles and prophets, who will lead God’s end-times army in establishing His kingdom on earth. This once-fringe movement has entered many charismatic churches (which are the fastest-growing churches in nearly every region of the world, according to church growth experts, like David B. Barrett). Amazingly, many Christians aren’t aware that this movement exists. And many Christians who attend apostolic-prophetic churches are unaware of the movement’s teachings, which are often introduced through the “back door” of churches that claim to have standard evangelical statements of faith. My goal is to provide information about this movement, so Christians won’t be misled into its unbiblical teachings and practices.

Background on me: I’m the former managing editor of Biola University’s magazine, Biola Magazine, and a former contributing writer to the Christian Research Journal. I have a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola.

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  2. Mike Says:

    Holly, you are doing a great service to the body.  Stay the course.   This is much needed information.  I was part of a new Apostolic movement in Miami Florida.  I was involved for 4-years.  God pulled me  and my family out of that toxic environment and I am greatfull. 

    I am sure you know this already but its worth mentioning.  Speaking from experience, for those who are caught up in this movement its very difficult to get out because the indoctrination has a stronghold on them.  The environment that is formed in these Apostolic & Prophetic circles are very much cult like. Some movements are very subtle but others are are not so subtle in their particular methods of controlling the masses. Needless to say the core tenents are the same. It is a constant push to seek a super natural experiences. A common tactic is to convince the masses that other non-Apostolic/prophetic churches are “Dead” in that one does not experience supernatural events in these orthodox churches.  In others words all other churches are boring and non-eventful.  Indeed, this tactic and others are pushed on ther masses in an evironment of great music, bible teaching out of context, and “supernatural” experienced. In addition, they overwhelm the flock by pushing them to serve in all sorts of ministries to maximize the exposure to this hipnotic envirnmenmt.    Most people in these movements have very little time to discern what is going on.  In addition, anyone who so much as asks a question contrary to the doctrines being taught is immediatelly shut down and or labled as one who has given in to the “enemy’s deception”. 

    In my personal experience, I was starting to question many things because my reading of the bible was not aligned with my experience in the congregation. I estimate that it took me about 9 months of reading the bible and researching this movement to make the decission to break away from this movement.  Not to mention that I had to learn how to study the bible and I am still learning. I am convinced that God drew me to His word and thereby pulling me away from this movement.

    Its been about 2-year since we parted from this movement and till this day I am still dealing with some of the out of context residule of the doctrines that are taught in this movement.  I also broke away from some friendships as a result of my parting ways with the ministry and that has also has an impact on my family.  All that being said, Glory be to God and thank you Jesus for the gift of repentance and the mercy that has been extended to me in His Grace.  I am learning to feed on Jesus Christ daily and I am recognizing that He is the only Mana that I need daily to perservere in this fallen world.  I dont need an outwordly expressed supernatural experience that draws attention to me, but rather I need the intimacy of fellowship with Jesus Christ that graces me with victory over my own sin and live a life of repentence so that I may glorify Him on a day to to day basis with a thankfull heart.

    My hope is that you can draw some perspective from this posting.  May the Spirit of God continuosly guide you to reach out to those who need to read your blog and receive from it a pull from the Holy Spirit that draws them to the boblical Jesus.

    The story of the bible is that Jesus came to deliver His people from their sin. He did many miricles, signs, and wonders but thats not why he came. The biblical Apostles also did may wonders in the name of Jesus in the context of the 1st century church.  We should never confuse what Jesus did with why he came, died on a cross, and was resurrected on the 3rd day by the Father so that we may have victory over our sin and thereby return to fellowship with HIM.

    God bless you Holly.

  3. Holly Says:


    Thank you for your encouraging words and also for sharing your story of coming out of the NAR movement. I believe you are correct when you say that the story of the Bible is that Jesus was sent to save people from their sin. The NAR movement has shifted the emphasis of the Bible so the story is that Jesus was sent to give people dominion. It is easy to see how this shift moves the focus from Jesus to themselves.


  4. SA Says:

    Interesting blog….seems a bit shallow in that names are mentioned but not contacted concerning the full truth….It may be wise to contact those whose names you publish that they can at least respond to allegations. I happen to know people who are named in your blog who are being falsely spoken of…Seems a bit unfair to be naming people who you have not spoken to face to face about what they truly believe….I have learned that there is a lot of bitter water coming from some mouths and hearts which does not always represent the truth.
    It could be that you because you are not following biblical order in approaching an individual who may be in error personally first….you could be falling into a spirit of error without realizing it.
    God bless you as you “hold the truth in Love”

  5. Anne White Says:

    WEeare always provided with truth when we desire to know “true truth”. We ask, seek, and knock – and receive. So glad to be led to this site in order to remain alert to perversion of the truth and doctrinal error. God bless you for your standing on sola Scriptura as the foundation of the Church.

  6. Tony Says:


    Found your site yesterday, fantastic work very much needed. I am also very concerned personally about some of the teachings in the deliverance ministry area as well, such as entering ungodly depths, generational curses, entering heavenly portals, elemental spirits, seeing thing sin th e stars etc, all taken from well founded ministries. The people are genuine, but I must admit i feel very deceived – but they will not be told..


  7. Holly Says:


    Thanks for your encouraging words. Yes, a number of practices that have entered the NAR movement have more in common with New Age and occult practices than with biblical Christianity. That should be very concerning to all Christians.


  8. Mark Says:


    I hear your heart on the matter.  Yes, personal confrontation is the first step in all Christian reconciliation.  Know that for many years now, I have sought reconciliation with any number of pastors and individuals associated with the NAR and similar doctrinal profiles.  It is a pointless and fruitless exercise and chances are very high you will get absolutely nowhere with anyone holding such a view. I assure you, I have tried everything possible that I know how to try. The scriptures instruct us to speak the truth in love and that Jesus is looking for those who will worship in spirit and truth.  The truth is the issue.  Once you start holding to the scripture as your standard of truth and try to apply it in a personal-corporate relationship you will be rejected by folks holding these doctrinal beliefs. 
    It is a virtual guarantee that you will be rejected and become an outcast.  I know, I have been turned away from no less than 3 churches for simply trying to confront these issues. We are living in perilous times and “men are lovers of themselves” and are “irreconcilable”. It is very sad and very scary to know that as true believers, those who walk in truth and in love, and are willing to lay down their life for their brothers and sisters are truly rare.

  9. Mark Says:

    Just as a follow up comment to SA; I do not presume our author and moderator has not attempted to reach out to the folks mentioned in the column. I am inclined to assume that efforts have been made repeatedly.  Love instructs us to always “think the best” as I am sure you know.  In spite of my previous comment, I will continue to reach out to those clearly in error with a thoughtful and caring heart and hand extended in the hope that some point of scriptural truth will be mutually shared and accepted and the walk towards unity and peace in Jesus Christ will be advanced. I will carefully weigh all that is spoken to me in a spirit of humility, lest I also be deceived.  Shalom to all those that hold the truth dear and worship him in spirit and truth!

  10. Steve Says:

    The charismatic renewal of the 1970s has now gone so far off the rails (in the w.world) that it would be better if it had never happened. But then so has christendom in the western world, you cant expect one to work well without the other, so a fall is immenant – watch out for fallen angels appearing across the USA on mass then in UK as a great wave of deception sweeps many into apostasy, a remnant will remain though, in a cleansed form amidst persecution.

  11. Willie Says:

    Holly, I fell out of Church and evangelical circles through a series of unfortunate events. However, I was received back as the prodigal son about a year and a half ago.  This “New apostolic reformation,” is so wild to me but so obvious since it seems like I was literally put on Ice then came back in to HIS fold.  When I left the ministry,  I was witnessing to JWs and LDS and some new age stuff etc., When I came back (for lack of better words) I realized I was emptied of my sin, so clearly that I could be totally filled and for probably the first time in 28 years I have really seen the hand of God on me.  Many are coming back to the Lord like myself men and women that were put out to pasture through bitterness and personal sin that they couldn’t hand over to the Lord.  I’m am aware now like never before that we are in for a huge awakening and purging of the Congregation.  Thank you for your ministry keep on warning the flock, there are some other issues out there like humanism and watered down theology that are playing in to this time and era we’re probably all going underground for a while but we must be overcomers.  God Bless.

  12. ars Says:

    i just want to know if you have any information about pastor cesar castellanos of bogota, Colombia if he has any link to the new apostolic reformation? thanks

  13. Holly Says:


    Yes, Castellanos has links to the New Aposotlic Reformation. See this YouTube video of him and his wife, Claudia, being prophesied over by leading NAR prophet Bill Hamon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiN1CwN1XSA. This article, at Apologetics Index, will give you additional information: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/631-g12-vision


  14. curt bond Says:

    Shame on you, letting your itellect tell you there is no Jesus Christ, THE FIVE FOLD is a gift from Jesus Christ to the church, and the world. It represents HIM on earth. Try closing your eyes, and plugging your ears, and walking slowly across a busy street, you can not tell that there is danger.Taste the danger, possibly smell it,feel it? You might taste the danger after you have been run over, by tasting your blood and flesh and gasoline with oil, you might feel the motor still running through the frame,  you could smell the danger of fumes from the gasoline, but of course you could not see it or hear it. This has been the state of the church for a long time,BLIND and Deaf! The Apostle sees, the Prophet hears, the Pastor feels, the Teacher tastes, and the Evanglist smells! Evanglists smell ‘death’ and then know to preach the “good news”, Pastors feels the needs of the body to bring health, Teachers give ‘taste of the goodness of the Lord’, Prophet hear what God is saying, and the Apostle has the eyes of sight to know where we are going. This is the ministry of Jesus Chrisat to bring us all to fullness, but you try living just one week without your eyes and ears, and see how you like it. I thank God everyday for providing His way to change this terrible world into a thing of beauty! I want it all, not in part, if God said I needed it, that is good enough for me, maybe not you, ‘all men are liars’ the word says, but God does not lie!!!!!!

  15. Willie Says:

    A reply to Curt Bond,
    So if I get you and the Five fold gift you are speaking of..we are to trust our senses ? All scripture is breathed by God it permeates our entire being (spirit mind and soul.  The LORD spoke through Jeremiah a true Prophet, the heart is deceptive and desperately wicked who can know it ? His answer is only God.  So, modern day prophet ( bond )where does it say in the Scripture that we the lambs of God should ignore the God Breathed word and begin to close our eyes and ears so that you can guide us blind Christians through life.  Here is a prophetic word for you that will tingle your ears for eternity… Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Oh by the way anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knows the truth of Christ because He, Christ, doesn’t deceive-that’s satan’s job. There are NO apostles beyond the 12 and that is why the Apostles gave commission to bishops and pastors and deacons of the Church unless of Course you are saying they were all wrong. Of course now if you want to be on line with the other Heretical congregation just call your selves the latter day apostles you’ll be in good company.

  16. Brenda Sandeno Says:

    Hi Holly,
    I am Doug’s sister! He sent me your new books for Christmas and I have devoured them. BUT what I find most interesting is that 2 years ago a friend of mine was putting together a women’s conference. She had a church voice some concern over the speaker and so she called me. We started doing some research together and guess who’s site we found?? Yours!! I still have the things I printed off. The speaker was called off and much study was done on this movement and shared. I wanted to let you know that your site really helped keep the Truth of God’s Word spoken at this yearly conference but it also brought knowledge of this movement to our attention. NOW I have 2 good books i can hand out to people and recommend. Thank you for your courage and boldness! Stand firm!

  17. Holly Says:


    Thank you for letting me know how my site was helpful in bringing this movement to you and your friend’s attention! I’m really encouraged to hear that my work has had a positive impact. And thanks for helping spread the word about our books. I’m very grateful to your brother for agreeing to partner with me on these projects. It has been a privilege working with him and learning from him. Warmly in Christ, Holly

  18. Lance Wonders Says:

    Holly, I am hopeful that your blogsite, and books, will generate more light than heat.  So far I was impressed by your analysis of Brian Simmons’ work — very fair, so far as I can tell.  I have two doctorates — one from an Anglican school, one from a charismatic school — and respect the work of Robert Saucy at your alma mater.  But we need to be careful, as Paul says, “not to judge things before the proper time” (I Cor. 4).  Evaluate the fruit, yes, but we need to take care in how we handle our brothers and sisters as brothers and sisters: “golden rule” time, as always. Not all error is from the Evil One: some is the result of our human zeal, brokenness, overstepping, trying too hard to “fix” things at the human level, etc.  Mistakes can be costly, and God will, at some level, require an accounting for the consequences of those mistakes, especially if they were made in a spirit of presumption instead of as “collateral damage” to our simply “trying too hard”.  Wagner, Pierce, etc., are not evil men nor deliberate deceivers: they have run beyond the limits of biblical wisdom, but do not see that, any more than overzealous Calvinists or Dispensationalists have always seen the gravity of their own errors either. So we do need to pursue orthodoxy in Word and Spirit…but all while hoping for correction and adjustment more so than division and a false perfectionism. Not saying you yourself are doing either one of those — but Dave Hunt and Hank Hannegraf and John MacArthur, for instance, have ended up slandering true brothers in the faith through their excessive “love” of orthodoxy (= “orthodoxism”).  But Jesus Himself stands with all of those who love Him, asking us to be diligent in doing the same.  May your articles manage to maintain that standard in your efforts to please Him!  God’s best to you, Holly! — Lance Wonders, ACTS Bible College, Blaine, Minnesota

  19. Susanna Says:

    sometimes I wonder if I am going insane when looking around at what my generation is calling Christianity. It is isolating and quite honestly, who do we have once men like John MacArthur are all gone? That is why I am incredibly encouraged to find this blog from a young author. fight the good fight, and thank you.

  20. Velma Says:

    Most of the comments in ‘agreement’ with Holly appear to be of the baptist thinking…I have one word for all who agree with her: “There are many things in the Bible that we don’t believe” , a baptist woman

    Bereans were commended for ‘searching the scriptures for themselves. HAVE YOU DONE SO?

  21. Curt Bond Says:

    To Willie
    Where did you find scripture saying the days of the Apostles is over, that there are only 12, one of the 12 committed high treason and was replaced (number13), and then there was Saul, renamed Paul ( by God), making 14, or do you think someone else wrote all those letters instead of Paul (Saul of Tarsus).

    Go ahead and say you live by scripture, when that will not save you from the wrath to come!
    It is only by receiving Jesus in to YOUR HEART, and confessing your sins (Repentance) that will bring you to LIFE! Then progressing; being baptized in water (publicly) to confirm to all ‘who you belong to’, then receiving the gift of the Father, which is the Spirit of God, our precious Holy Spirit. Then learning to walk ‘not by the flesh but rather by the spirit’.  Exalting our spirit man and putting to death our fleshly man. (Heart over Head, not Head over Heart), don’t miss it, if you live by your fleshly mind, you will be overcome by our enemy ‘satan’, because that is where he rules and has dominion. We ask the Lord to come into our ‘heart’ to rule there, that is HIS dominion, we place HIM first (making our heart HIS), and allowing HIM to rule there, ‘satan’ cannot enter that place, it is the “Holy Place” where God dwells (with his people).
    We all have a choice; Who will we serve?
    “satan’, the flesh of corruption (mind) or Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit (heart)
    Do not BE deceived! The devil seeks those that can be devoured! That let the flesh rule, and that becomes a place of ruin!
    But let us, who are of simple minds (empty), enter into the “peace of God’, no longer allowing our carnal nature to rule through our fleshly minds, but living in ‘the Spirit of God’, where that kingdom is a place of Peace! (FULL)

    Now look at the scriptures; Jesus had the infilling of the Spirit of God and he needed it, and He is our example, we follow Him, if he needed it so do we, if you do not get it your heart, it will be lean(little), it should be fat (large). How can we do greater works than Jesus if we lack God’s tools to do so? Beware, the Pharisees had the word, but no power to keep it, they allowed their minds to rule, and Jesus rebuked them publicly! They should have known better, they had it wrong; mind over heart.” Come away from them, and be separate, and I will receive you”, says the Lord, but they would not (their minds were in charge).

  22. Lance Wonders Says:

    Romans 12:1-2 urges us, in surrender to Christ, to seek the RENEWAL of our minds, not the REMOVAL of our minds.  Satan can “rule” in our “hearts” just as easily as he can rule in our “minds”, if our hearts are not likewise surrendered to Christ.

    Revelation 21-22 seems to make clear that the 12 apostles of the post-resurrection early Church were the true “foundation” of what Christ began to build.  Whatever one makes of apostles today, they simply are not, and cannot be, “foundational” like Peter and Paul and John and Matthew were. 

    When modern-day apostles and prophets pretend that their new “revelations” are “necessary” for the end-times Church to prevail to the end, they are guilty of presumption, self-deception, and a refusal to let the New Testament witness to Jesus be “final” or sufficient.  Thus, such an approach always turns out making “Christianity” into a different religion in the end — perhaps not as drastically warped as Mormonism is, but still not what the Lord intended.  Even Roman Catholicism’s “apostolic succession” and “Teaching office” of the Pope, and “infallible dogmas” about Mary, have gone a long ways towards distorting the biblical faith.  And if Bill Hamon and Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce continue along the road they have been traveling in the past twenty years, they too will end up having promoted a “Christianity” that is almost as much fabricated from human ideas of supernatural power-assertion as it reflects the genuine, original divine revelation. 

    Holly and those with her are merely trying to keep that from happening, so that the Body stays healthy and faithful until the end.  I personally applaud her efforts, and see her work as a much-needed corrective to charismania run wild.

  23. Curt Bond Says:

    Oh, just a little problem here, GOD’s Word says all of the 5 ministries of Jesus IS NEEDED …….to MATURE the Body of Christ! Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Teacher, Pastor. Eph. 4

    So if there is no Prophet and no Apostles how can that happen TODAY!

    There were 13 Apostles of the Lamb, read the Gospels for yourself. One chose to serve satan instead of Jesus. So another one was chosen (of his followers) to replace him. ( Judas having left this world through death).

    Stop twisting the scriptures to prove your point, pay attention!

    The body of Christ is NOT healthy, if you think so, you are deceived.
    Business as usual in most places, with ‘doctrines of demons, and traditions of man’, which is the base of “religion. God did not ask for you to make a way for Him, because he made a way for you. He wants a ‘personal’ relationship with you, NOT an institution.

    If God said it was for me, I’ll take it, if you chose not to do that it will not rub off on me. You will be held accountable for that which you preach, so be right.

    The law of the Spirit of Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.

  24. Curt Bond Says:

    If you think being an Apostle or prophet is easy, think again. Look at what Apostle Paul went through, a viper bit his arm, ship wrecked, imprisoned, slandered, stoned, cast off etc. 17 years in the wilderness. Oh but he was not one of the 12(13) so he must not have been an Apostle (he would make 14). Who are you kidding, there is Apostles (true) today.

    Apostles make mistakes, as all humans do, but they are NOT out to control you, but to bless you. They will guide, but YOU will decide weather to follow their teaching or not. If you are not born in the ‘Spirit’ then you are not a child of God, and then you are blind, deaf, dumb, broke, and lost forever!!

    You could be the richest person on the planet and still considered ‘wretched’ by God, because you have no spiritual life inside you.

    Apostles have a GREAT responsibility over you, for your Protection, not to control you but help you find your way; your way to God. To help you hear His Voice, know His Person, to help you develop your ‘spirit person’ inside. A true Apostle has a big heart of giving of themselves to help you grow to maturity.  

    Who told me I was a ‘master builder’, God’s Spirit did!

  25. Samson Says:

    If you were around during the era of the early Apostles, hope you wouldn’t have earn a degree in condemning peter who denied Jesus or join the band wagon of onlookers who saw the Pentecost as an act of lunacy. Why not lift Christ up so that the hearts of men and women will be drawn to Him. I have read some of the books written by these NAR’s as you called them but it only produced a genuine love for God. I think it also boils down to purity of intention. Same bible that we read and get blessed, some folks read to justify their selfish interest. If you can’t reveal Christ, obviously you have not seen or hear Him and be sure that the spread of doubt is inevitable. Praise Christ Jesus!

  26. Lance Wonders Says:

    Sam, the real problem is false expectations, and therefore a dangerous misdirection of faith.  If someone told you that by believing hard enough you could jump off a cliff and fly — and then you jumped, and perished — your remaining family members would likely be very angry with that someone, and would consider them false witnesses and not to be trusted, even if they were nice and sincere people.  The early (true) apostles did not lie or misdirect anyone, they simply told them to trust Jesus for their salvation.  But promising them total victory and immediate power over Satan in all things, including the overcoming of death and illness and poverty and lack of personal “success” here and now, goes way beyond what is automatically promised for this life: we will get such things when Jesus comes back and the Kingdom comes and we ourselves inherit our resurrected bodies, but prior to that there will be some suffering and cross-bearing and even martyrdom at times for a few.  When false apostles lead new believers into trusting that hard things like that simply will not happen, then they are setting people up to lose their faith — which could mean punishment for those false apostles!  Better to teach the biblical basics, and not pretend to knowing deeper truths that so often bring people to disappointment, destruction, or worse.  There is something not right about leaders who insist on being called “apostle” or “prophet”, instead of being satisfied with being a simple brother or sister in Christ.

  27. Charles Says:

    Thank you very much Holly for your blog and hard labour to come up with all this information. In my country in Africa there is so much confusion over various groups which can’t work in harmony because of their different teachings. I would like to know if you are a Christian ?

  28. Holly Says:

    Yes, I am a Christian, Charles.

  29. Zionschild Says:

    Holly, I’m glad I found your blog/newsletter through Marsha West (the Berean Call).  I know this subscription will be a great resource for being aware, alert, and discerning in my relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ.  Luke 21:36 (NASB).

  30. Holly Says:

    Thanks Zionschild!

  31. Bruce Cooper Says:

    Hi Holly,
    Your website and research is excellent. My daughter, a relatively new Christian recently bought a book called “Prophetic Wisdom” by Graham Cooke. I had never heard of him before and subsequently found out that although he is not directly associated with NAR, the vast majority of his teachings are in step with NAR. I am currently reviewing his book and you may find what I have identified so far interesting. My blog is bcooper.wordpress.com My last two entries provide my findings.
    Again, excellent work, sincerely appreciate your gifted efforts. God bless.

  32. Ian Francis Says:

    BUD MILLINGTON, I agreed with everything you stated in your 2006 comment until you got into pride, i.e.  your statement:  “IF I can get a sick person to listen to what the Bible says…I can get them healed of anything 100 times out of 100.” Sorry, I don’t agree that you see healing 100% of the time when you pray for the sick.  If that were true, you would have droves of people breaking down doors to get in to see you.  What you really mean is you get people to confess or presume that they are healed in 100% of the cases by confessing scriptures.

    I am not a cessationist but let me tell you the second thing that I majorly disagreed with and turned me off—your statement ending your comment with a big bang, in which you referenced others to Kenneth Hagin for teaching on Jesus’ healing ministry.  Kenneth Hagin and the likes of him have made a shipwreck of the charismatic and related healing movement of the last century.  The damage has been great to the charismatic movement and will take a long time for it to regain its legitimacy and credibility as it had in its heyday, e.g. in the days of Kathryn Kuhlman (who did NOT teach WoF).

    Jesus did not heal in the manner that Hagin or other WoFers teach by confession of a mantra and not acknowledging symptoms, that is Christian science.  There were instantaneous healings in every case where Jesus prayed for the sick with physical evidence of the healing.  So in conclusion I agree that it is important that we preach the gospel with signs and wonders following according to the scriptures you cited, but not in the way it is being taught by heretical WoFers.

  33. Tom Campbell Says:

    Hi Holly,  Yes, I would like to receive your entries at Spirit of Error. Praise the Lord for your gifts and thoughtful analysis. I look forward to reading and thinking about what you’ve written. I do believe it will help me grow closer to the Lord and be more aware of the spiritual battle we are in. 

          Tom Campbell

  34. Seth Meyers Says:

    Great work, Holly.

    Of the millions of professing Christians in the poorest places of the world, the great majority of them are lost in a Christless religion that points them toward sensationalism and money rather than Christ. May God bless your labors for those in the developed world as well as those in the poorest places.

  35. kaz Says:

    very well said Seth, could not agree with you more.

  36. Lance Wonders Says:

    Please lets try not to slander one another.  The NAR folk are in no way, shape, or form “Christless”.  They are caught up in error, but most of them very much love our Lord, and deserve our respect, compassion, and gentle — not heartless — correction.  God will judge all teachers, whether NAR or self-proclaimed “evangelical” and “Bible only” revelationists.

  37. cheryl Says:

    I am so glad someone sent me this site. it surely is showing us alot. We have just left our church after 7 years as we can see the NAR slowly slipping its way in, even though they would deny this. Sad times for all.

  38. Don Anhorn Says:

    I found your blog on the NAR interesting. and enlightening.  C. Peter Wagner and his peers have been on the fringes of the evangelical world for decades.  However, I have a couple of questions for you Holly, and you can reply to me directly if you wish, doesn’t have to be posted with the rest above:  Who is Holly Pivec?  What is your background, what evangelical persuasion do you belong to, do you have a published Statement of Faith that under girds your blog site, and your own personal faith? 
    I ask these questions because I just happened onto your blog site and would like some background before I recommend it to others. 
    Thank you for taking time to answer my questions, I don’t intend to be offensive.  I am a 43 year old christian who has a deep burden for the church of today and am deeply agitated by its seeming impotence in reaching our western world for Jesus.  I can see where and why movements like the NAR are gaining such strong footholds today; I don’t think that I am the only one with this burden.  Christians are longing for something outside of the seemingly ineffective church they are a part of for “solutions”.

    God Bless,


  39. Byron Wilson Says:

    Hi Holly,
     I read both of your books and they both are a very good resource on finding out exactly how to deal with The NAR.
    I did notice one point when Paul Tells Timothy to wage a good warfare according to the Prophecies given to him…It may seem like he was told Gods Specific will from someone, but that is not the case in that verse.
    That verse is not telling Timothy Gods Specific will but extorting Timothy To Fight The Fight of Faith From previous encouragement from others.  Prophecy= Edification,Exhortation and Comfort…
    This Video I think makes it clear on what was meant for Timothy in the Spirit

  40. Jenny UK Says:

    just finished reading Holly’s co-written with Douglas Geivett’s book “A New Apostolic Reformation – a Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement” and am horrified at how we (and I have to admit ‘me’) have been drawn in – so subtly it would appear. Thank you for this. What came to me, whilst reading Matthew’s gospel was 11:13 where Jesus himself says, ‘For all the prophets and the law prophesied UNTIL John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is the Elijah who is to come (v.14). This said to me that this movement appear to require their apostles and prophets to go hand in hand – but Jesus himself says the prophets finished with John. Bless you for this timely warning.

  41. Holly Says:

    Thanks for your encouraging words, Jenny UK. I’m glad the book helped you.

  42. Barb Buchholz Says:

    Just listened to Ken Johnson on prophets of ancient times and was not able to find personal information on him other than his PhD from Texas and his church and BiblefactsMinistry – his information if extremely interesting since I am excited to read and listen to MSH as often as possible – ancient history is so interesting – any comments of his study (a Calvary Chapel member)???

  43. Barb Buchholz Says:

    I read your interview with MSH with Trey Stricklin and was unaaware of NAR church and yet know many who want to go there for healing thinking this is IT??? I am hoping I can use this information in love and God’s light for HIS truth – blessings for your continued services!

  44. Maroon Says:

    Holly, may the Lord continue to bless and keep you. May deep humility and a keen sense of compassion always keep you gracious and wise in your writing, always with eyes fixed on Him who alone is Truth incarnate–Jesus Christ. I pray this especially since I see so many disturbing developments: the rise of the NAR/Dominionist churches, the sometimes-shrill-and-needlessly-offensive tone of some discernment ministry writers, the false dichotomy being propagated by some quarters (“if you’re not in a NAR/Pentecostal/Charismatic/continuationist church, you’re not Spirit-filled and you’re in a dead church”).

  45. Dorothy Richeson Says:

    Holly, I was involved with ministries that I believe with all my heart are closely involved with IHOP. Wondering if you could share any sources that I can refer to as I try to expose these false teachings? I’ve tried to share but people want proof of what I’m telling them. I have a multitude of family and friends involved…I honestly believe they are “sold out” and do not want to believe any of what I tell them. Thanks Holly and Blessings to you!

  46. Holly Says:

    Dorothy, have you seen my two co-authored books on the New Apostolic Reformation movement (of which IHOP is a part)? The longer book, A New Apostolic Reformation?, goes into great detail describing and evaluating the movement’s teachings. God’s Super-Apostles is a concise, entry-level introduction to the movement; its appendices give practical advice to people caught up in the teachings. Here’s a link to both of them on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=holly+pivec&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

  47. Charles D Says:

    Mrs. Holly,

    I have (still in its infancy) a facebook page dedicated to the fight against cults (I just recently started working on it) Not so much for the world wide web, but for the area in which I live. I would like to publish, use, re-print, post (What would be the correct term?) your article about NAR on my facebook page. Is that something I might have your blessings on?
    Very Respectfully,

    Charles D.

  48. Holly Says:

    Charles, you may use the Facebook “share” feature to share my articles. There is a “Share” button at the bottom of my posts. Thanks for sharing!

  49. Charles D Says:

    I would also like to add some thoughts:

    I am a pastor of a small community church. (Non-denominational) and I do the best I can to make sure I myself walk the walk and talk the talk. My leadership (notice I said MY leadership) the elders and deacons hold me accountable and I likewise hold them accountable. We are each other’s prayer warriors as well as that of the congregations.

    At the end of the day, it does not matter who is in “charge” what matters is a union, an agreement between leadership on what the Bible says, point blank. That, at my church, is what we strive to do. Do we always get it right? no. Is it any single persons fault? no. The leadership accepts blame equally.

    Quit fighting/arguing about what this pastor said or what this pastor did and start looking at their biblical principles. Do they follow the Bible? It should not be a matter of confusion and hatred and “popularity”… People, this is a matter of salvation.
    That is all I have to say.


    Charles D.

  50. Peter Says:

    What do you answer those who say you cant filly interpret the Bible without having the Holy Spirit “born again from above” and without walking with the Lord daily?

  51. Holly Says:

    Peter, I believe generally anyone can read the Bible, and understand what it says, as far as understanding the mere information it is conveying. I think the role of the Holy Spirit in illumination is to bring what we read in Scripture to bear on our lives.

  52. Peter Says:

    Thanks Holly. Before I was born again from above, I would have agree with you. But after I was born again in 2012, and started to meditate on the words daily – the Bible has come alive spiritually.
    I also believe there is too many theologians with head knowledge but with no deep rooted faith and lack of the Holy Spirit. They are leading other people astray, many times they are like wolfs in lambs clothing.

    [1Co 2:9-16 KJV] 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
    11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
    15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
    16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

    Do you love God?
    Do you know Him personally?
    Are you born again in His Spirit?

  53. Randy Says:

    Hi Holly,

    My wife and I are having a difficult time finding a church that doesn’t sing NAR music in one way or another. I think this is largely due to the fact that they’re unaware of the NAR and/or the involvement of these music groups in this movement. However, other churches are at least familiar with the NAR are still sing and promote their music in one way or another – even in non-Pentecostal/Charismatic churches.

    Do you have any advice on how we can find a church that is anti-NAR, one that is true to the Word of God and will passionately warn against these false teachers? I’m thinking of someone like you, Mike Winger, Costi Hinn, Melissa Dougherty, Andrew Strom, David Wilkerson and so many more.

  54. Jennifer Says:

    Holly! Hello!!

    Faithful God. I have two children at Biola and a third joining them in 2021. Last Spring I was accepted into Talbot’s MA Classical Theology. In the interview what do I want to do with my degree to which I replied I want to tell others well, to speak and write well and that I so appreciated Ravi Zacharias and his team. The interviewer asked was it my plan to join RZIM upon graduation? I had never thought of that myself, and answered yes I would like to.
    As He sometimes does, the Lord did not provide money to move, temporarily closed the door, and I deferred of my acceptance.
    This month while we are in the middle of COVID I was praising Him I had not moved last year from Northern CA to La Mirada, we had our home here, and we were safely waiting for what would come. In this time while reading and watching trying to understand this season, I saw your name somewhere defending something. I don’t remember what or where but I saw the tag Masters Christian Apologetics and thought, what if I switch programs, what if Apologetics is online? I checked. All of it is.
    I contacted Biola and was told the switch to apologetics was possible. Praise the Lord. I waited a week or so for the official acceptance. This past Tuesday morning, May 19th, I received an email welcoming me into Biola’s MA Christian Apologetics.
    As I read the acceptance email, I asked the Lord to confirm this decision and saw His answer when few hours later we heard of Ravi Zacharias’ Homecoming.

    This morning, I thought again of you, how the Lord used your work to propel me into thinking toward the apologetics degree. I wanted to add your name to my journal and my story telling. I didn’t recall your name, I barely remembered your face, how would I begin to find you. But. He is good. And He shows his faithfulness always. This evening, I “randomly” found one thing on YouTube then another where you were being interviewed! Now I can tell you, place it in my journal, and always have a complete story to share of God taking care with every detail so that He continually makes Himself known to us. He. Is. Good.

  55. Holly Says:

    Jennifer, thank you so much for sharing your encouraging story with me. Congratulations on your acceptance to Biola’s apologetics program! I’m so excited for your journey ahead of learning and expanded ministry. Please keep me updated.


    I just listened to your commentary on NAR with Doreen and Melissa on Facebook. I am blown away by the depth of your knowledge and teaching ability. I have several friends, most of them younger than me, that are quite taken by the NAR movement (which I finally understand to some degree, thanks to you), Rick Joyner (I went to UNC Chapel Hill and guess where some of my college friends landed), and by Bethel Music. I think it is a bad idea to confront believers about their cherished ideals, but I do try to ask questions in the fashion of the Detective Columbo in order to ferrret out any inconsistencies. I have hesitated to do this because of my severe lack of knowledge of NAR (and my lack of Bible knowledge despite or because of UNC’s admittedly secular teachings)-now I feel that I can ask some questions. By the way, my nephew is a great student and wants to go to seminary. Biola always comes up in the top of the rankings and I am going to send the Facebook interview with Doreen and Melissa in order to inspire him. You may be an exception, but it sure looks to me that they produce a good product. I might have some influence over him as I will likely pay for some of it!

  57. Alexandra Says:


    I have recently come upon you guys – and quite greatly love your mission and content. I also found you through a video with Doreen and Melissa.

    I wanted to reach out on behalf of an experience I had over these last few months – and how God has used it – to bring me into his purpose for me! I will be attending Seminary, beginning at the end of this month – pursuing apologetics – and hope to be sent into the church within young adult/college ministry!

    As a 26 year old woman, I have followed God faithfully all my life from the age of 12. Yet it has been over the last few years – that persecution from the world has intensified! I have known – that God’s call for me was greater than I could imagine – he had just not made clear to me as to what it was.

    I ran into the kindest woman, at the coffee shop/bakery I manage – and it seemed like a God-thing that she appeared! She was apart of the a non-profit, and I had to get involved. It truly seemed to tie in with my heart’s longing, which is to lead college age/young adult woman – into the truth of Christ – long story short. I was deceived.

    it seemed gospel based. Yet upon my third week, attending their weekly meetings. I couldn’t stop questioning. They didnt feel the need to wear masks, it was “holy ground.” They read from the PASSION translation – they TAUGHT the gifts, without resting on the fact that each is a gift given from God – they cannot be taken up upon human desire. (I am a continuationist myself but this deemed wrong and unbiblical.)

    Then they brought a prophet in, to speak. Thats when things got spooky. I have not seen anything like this before in my life. I could not stop praying in my heart – asking God if this was HIM. I was mortified. My experience with this prophet seemed positive, as she DID call me out – but God did not give me his peace, or reassurance that this experience was him. – I would love to talk further with you guys upon this experience if you are interested, but I would love for you guys to check her out.

    My passion and zeal to seek truth is now a burning fire within me. Since this experience – my life has changed dramatically.

    Her name is Sharell Barrera – who claims to be a prophetic revivalist – if you have prior knowledge of such… false prophets I would love to talk more, learn more – be directed to resources that I can gain more knowledge.

    Blessings to you guys,
    Alexandra Davia

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