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NAR interview with Doug Geivett at South African Theological Seminary

The New Apostolic Reformation is exploding. This dangerous movement is experiencing staggering growth, especially in the Global South (that is, Africa, Asia, and Latin America). To equip South Africans to respond to the influx of NAR teaching in their churches, South African Theological Seminary interviewed my co-author, Biola University professor Doug Geivett, during his recent trip to that country.

Watch the interview to learn about the harmful impact the NAR is having in South Africa. While the interview was conducted in South Africa, the points he discussed are relevant wherever NAR has a platform. Topics addressed include the dangers of emotionalism, unsound teachings about miraculous gifts, the wrongheaded Seven Mountain Mandate, unbiblical methods for seeking divine guidance, and the global influence of Bethel Church in Redding, California (and Bethel Music).

About the author

Holly Pivec is the co-author (with R. Douglas Geivett) of A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement and God’s Super-Apostles: Encountering the Worldwide Prophets and Apostles Movement. She has a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola University.

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4 Responses to “NAR interview with Doug Geivett at South African Theological Seminary”

  1. Circuit Rider Says:

    Thanks for posting, Holly. I was tracking well until Doug talked about how God’s will is revealed in the Bible and we should not go around with our “antennae up” seeking God’s will for our lives.

    I love my brothers in Christ from other traditions, but the notion that God no longer speaks to His people is just as dangerous as heretical doctrines. Yes, God has revealed in the Bible – by the Holy Spirit, I might add – His will for the body of Christ and we, Christ’s bondservants, are to follow Him even unto physical death. God also, over and over and over again in Scripture, calls individuals to accomplish His will for specific places and peoples. In fact, one ministry charge of the Spirit is to reveal truth (Joh 16:13, 1 Cor 2:10, Rom 8:5, 1 Joh 2:27).

    Just because some NARpostle twists the truth to his/her personal benefit, does not invalidate the eternal truth of God’s Word. Jesus asked the Father send us another advocate, counselor, comforter, and teacher of truth (Joh 14:16, Joh 14:26), and that is exactly what He did in Acts 2. Grace and peace to all.

  2. Tim Says:


    Is Beth Moore a part of the NAR?
    Also, is she an apostate deceived teacher?

  3. Holly Says:

    Hi Tim. The core belief of NAR is that present-day apostles and prophets must govern the church. I’m not aware of Beth Moore promoting that teaching. There are also a number of NAR-related teachings and practices, including the Seven Mountain Mandate, strategic-level spiritual warfare (including spiritual mapping), “Treasure Hunting” evangelism, exercises for “activating” miraculous gifts in individuals, 24/7 prayer rooms (often associated with Mike Bickle’s International House of Prayer, healing rooms, and SOZO.

  4. Steve Montgomery Says:

    The theology of death and destruction can be seen easily from Bill Hamon, who got it from his involvement in the Latter Rain movement. His close association with movers and shakers like the late C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, and their associations of fellow prophets gains the possibility to transfer influence on a broad basis in that they “minister” in mega-churches and have access to top leaders in right-leaning politics. But it’s not about one person, it’s about a set of beliefs, a timeline, and an order of operations. Below you will find evidence of my concerns.

    I’ve made 20 Taped Phone Calls to leaders of a branch of the Charismatic world, (those influence by the eschatology of the Latter Rain movement) 18 of which verified that, according to their view of end-time events, Jesus will not return until they have (1) “taken dominion” and (2) “executed judgment”:

    1) “Prophet” Bill Hamon, who was quite voluble and cheery on the topic, told me, clearly and without hesitation, whether you “cut their heads off” or “execute judgement” in some other way, that “death is death, any way you look at it” with a chuckle. He went on to pose the question, “What do ya think He’s gonna do to those ministers that hinder the work of God?” Hamon, dripping putrid honey, told me that this would be a “selfless” aspect of “love” in the upcoming “ministry” of judgment.

    (Hamon is currently considered a “prophet” in the New Apostolic Reformation, promoted by the late church growth “expert” and “apostle” C. Peter Wager, influential through writings and training other politically active and influential “apostles” and “prophets” such as Cindy Jacobs)

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