Is it too late to save this church from NAR?


By Holly Pivec (September 24, 2019)

In just five days, on Sunday, September 29, the members of Christian Life Center in Santa Cruz, California, will cast a vote determining the fate of their lead pastor and the future of their church.

At stake is whether this Assemblies of God church will abandon its historic Pentecostal teachings and become swept up in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) or not. More specifically, will it begin to follow the controversial teachings of the apostle Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in Redding, California, and other “apostles” in NAR? This fast-growing and divisive movement has already taken over many churches across the nation and throughout the world. The members of Christian Life Center will soon decide whether their church will be among the casualties.

The ballot will ask for a vote of “confidence” or “no confidence” in the church’s lead pastor, Jeremy Anderson, who has brought in many of the teachings of Bill Johnson and NAR.

Controversial Teachings

Anderson was hired by the church in December 2018. Immediately after taking the reins, he set about making changes.

It started with the teachings. During his sermons, Jeremy Anderson began to introduce many of the extreme teachings of Bill Johnson. For example, he taught that it is always God’s will to heal a person of a sickness or disease — there are no exceptions.[1] And he taught that every Christian can learn to prophesy and work miracles.[2] In line with this particular teaching, Jeremy Anderson announced, in June 2019, his plan to launch a “school of ministry” at the church.[3] This school, like other NAR supernatural schools of ministry across the nation, would likely be modeled after Bill Johnson’s Bethel Supernatural School of Ministry and train students to prophesy, heal the sick, and raise the dead.

The new pastor and his wife, Debora Anderson, also began to preach from the Passion Translation, a highly disputed version of the Bible produced by the NAR apostle Brian Simmons and endorsed by Bill Johnson.[4]

A Surprise Announcement

The most contentious of all Jeremy Anderson’s changes was his surprise announcement from the pulpit on May 23, 2019. At about six minutes into the sermon, titled “Movements of God,” he revealed his intention to transition the church’s leadership from a “pastor/teacher” model to an “apostolic/prophetic” model.

Why did this announcement cause a commotion? To some church members, it appeared that Jeremy Anderson intended to elevate his own status at the church from that of “pastor” to that of “apostle.” This concerned them because an apostle — as understood in NAR — has extraordinary authority to govern a church singlehandedly. In contrast, a pastor — in an Assemblies of God church, as well as in most other Protestant churches — typically governs together with a board of elders or other designated group. In other words, Jeremy Anderson’s announcement was viewed by some members as a power play. And taken together with the other teachings he has brought into the church, it appeared to be proof he intended to bring the church into the New Apostolic Reformation.

In His Own Words

These church members are right to be concerned about Jeremy Anderson’s intentions. When he announced the planned transition to the new leadership model, he highly recommended that church members learn more about apostolic leadership – and what exactly it entails – by reading what he referred to as a “great book”: The Apostolic Ministry, by Rick Joyner. Rick Joyner, it must be noted, is an influential NAR apostle. In this book, recommended by Jeremy Anderson, Joyner presents many provocative teachings about the authority and role of apostles in the church today. Among those teachings is the claim that, without the present-day apostles of the New Apostolic Reformation, the church is like a sports team that doesn’t have a coach (page 11). The only way the church can grow to spiritual maturity and fulfill God’s will on earth is for it to embrace the NAR apostles. (It is interesting to note that to be one of these apostles, according to Joyner, an individual is required to have “literally, visibly seen the resurrected Christ” (page 78). Does Anderson, who lauds Joyner’s teachings, believe himself to be such an apostle?)

Some members may also recall that, six months prior to his being called as the church’s pastor, Jeremy Anderson gave a message at the church in which he made a case for the present-day office of apostle, an office the Assemblies of God does not recognize in local church government.[5] In other words, Assemblies of God churches do not recognize governing apostles. But NAR does. In fact, the governing office of apostle (working together with the office of prophet) is the core teaching of NAR. So, there seemed to be signs of NAR influence on Jeremy Anderson’s teachings from the beginning.

Damage Control

Jeremy Anderson’s announcement about a new “apostolic/prophetic” leadership caused such a stir among members that he cancelled the adult Sunday School class on September 8, 2019. Instead, he held a Q-and-A session to address concerns about his leadership and clear up any misunderstandings.[6]

Early in the session, he said, “I’m not asking to be called ‘apostle’ nor is that my claim to be an apostle.” He passed out a position paper published by the General Presbytery of the Assemblies of God, explaining the denomination’s official stance on apostles and prophets. In short, the paper states that the denomination does not recognize a present-day governing office of apostle. Rather it sees that office as having been limited to a select group of individuals who had actually seen the risen Lord and been personally commissioned by him (a group including Jesus’ twelve apostles and Paul).

However, the denomination does recognize an ongoing ministry function of apostles – the function of bringing the gospel to the unevangelized, similar to that of pioneering missionaries and church planters. This function is something very different than the NAR view of apostles as holding a formal office in church government.

Jeremy Anderson did not go into all those details in explaining the Assemblies of God position. But he seemed to suggest that it was the Assemblies of God understanding of the term apostle, not something else, he intended when he announced a transition in the church leadership. He also referenced an Assemblies God position paper, titled Divine Healing, indicating that his own teachings paralleled the denomination’s official position on that topic. As for Bill Johnson’s influence on his teachings, he said of Johnson, “He’s helped me understand what it is to live a supernatural lifestyle.” Yet he acknowledged that Johnson is a “polarizing” figure. And he said that, even though Johnson’s books and other teaching materials had helped him personally, he doesn’t believe it is necessary for the church to utilize them — since members had concerns about them.

Despite verbal assurances that his theology lines up with Assemblies of God doctrine, many members were clearly unconvinced. During the meeting, which became heated, some members demanded to know why he had not revealed his agenda, prior to being hired by the church, to bring in the teachings and practices of Bill Johnson and NAR. Some spoke up in defense of Anderson, saying they had never heard him preach anything unbiblical and that the church needed to submit to his leadership.

Following the Q-and-A session, the elders voted for his resignation. But he declined to resign and wants the members to decide instead. Prior to the elders’ vote for his resignation, he invoked the authority the church bylaws give him, as lead pastor, to call for a special meeting of the entire church body and a vote of confidence/ no confidence in his leadership.

He publicly addressed his call for the vote before delivering his most recent sermon on Sunday (September 22).[7] He did not mention that the elder board had voted for his resignation. Instead he said, “There are some amongst the church that have asked if I would consider stepping down for various reasons.” He also said, “I called this [vote] because my heart is to just end, what I would call, campaigning against us. I just, honestly, I love our church family… My heart is love and unity in the body.”

He said he would not be “politicizing” or “campaigning,” between then and the vote, on his own behalf. And he urged church members, in the week leading up to the special meeting, “to cease the continuous conversations and campaigning” about the upcoming vote — and instead pray to hear from God regarding His direction for the vote.

A district officer from the Assemblies of God will be present to oversee the vote (which is required by the bylaws).

A Voice of Opposition

One member who has been an outspoken critic of Jeremy Anderson is Jessika Wilson, a 35-year-old mother who agreed to speak with me for the purposes of this article. Wilson reports that she and her mother, Karen PerryWilson, surrendered their jobs at the church after facing pressure from Jeremy Anderson to go along with the new direction. This is Jessika’s account of what happened.

Until a month ago (August 2019), Jessika and Karen worked together as the Kids Ministry Directors at Christian Life Center. Jessika grew up in the church of about 100 members, and she has attended there for more than 30 years. In 2012, she and her mother were asked by the former lead pastor to direct the children’s program. They loved their role. When that pastor resigned in 2018, his successor, Jeremy Anderson, asked Jessika and Karen to stay on as directors, much to their delight. But little did they — or other members of the church — know all that would transpire within the brief span of nine months following Jeremy Anderson’s appointment as pastor.

According to Jessika, she and her mother were the last staff members left standing, after the two other staff members (a pastor and facilities manager) handed in their resignations.

“He still claims he didn’t fire people,” Jessika said. “But he pushed people out and brought in his friends to replace them.”

Jessika and Karen knew their own employment at the church was nearing its end after they voiced concerns to Jeremy Anderson about his teachings.

Jessika was especially concerned about Jeremy Anderson’s obvious devotion to Bill Johnson. During two different meetings with him, Jessika says, he referred to Johnson as his “spiritual father.” His loyalty to Johnson went too far, she thought, when he instructed her to read a specific book to the children at the church. This book, co-authored by Johnson, is titled Here Comes Heaven!: A Kid’s Guide to God’s Supernatural Power. She was handed the book just moments before she was expected to read it. She started to read it aloud – with all the children seated in front of her, eagerly listening — but couldn’t continue. She was appalled by its teachings and misuse of Scripture.

“I could only read three pages before I had to put down the book,” she has said. “There was no way I was going to read it to the kids.”

Later, she bought her own copy and read the entire book. She knew she had made the right decision earlier, to stop reading it to the children.

The Writing on the Wall

When Jessika told Jeremy Anderson that she had a problem with the Bill Johnson book, things did not go well. This was during a staff meeting at his house. She also told Anderson that some people at the church had been questioning his theology. He got upset, she says, and demanded to know if she and her mother were “aligned” with him.

This question — whether they were “aligned” with him — disturbed her. She said no one at the church had ever asked her that before. But it was a question he would ask her and her mother repeatedly in the weeks ahead. I should pause here to explain the significance of this terminology within the New Apostolic Reformation. Being in “alignment with” — or in submission to — the movement’s leaders is a key teaching; it is a certain clue that something is amiss. But was Jeremy using “alignment” in this NAR, domineering sense of the word, as in demanding that all Christians “align” themselves under the authority of an apostle? Or was he merely expressing a reasonable expectation that members of his staff would be, largely, on board with his leadership decisions?

In answer to Jeremy Anderson, Jessika and Karen acknowledged that they were not aligned with the direction he was taking their church, doctrinally. When the meeting ended, he was clearly agitated, according to Jessika. He did not walk them to the door; his wife did.

Two weeks later, Jeremy Anderson called another meeting with Jessika, Karen, and two members of the elder board. Jessika and Karen assumed Jeremy Anderson intended to fire them. During the meeting, he gave reasons – Jessika called them “excuses” – for why the mother-daughter team should not continue in their current positions. One reason he gave is that they only worked at the church part time and had other jobs. So, it was difficult to find times when they were available for staff meetings.

He also informed Jessika and Karen that he planned to replace the children’s ministry curriculum then in use at the church with curriculum produced by Bethel Church (where Bill Johnson is pastor). After asking, again, if they were aligned with him – and not receiving an affirmative answer – he told the elders he did not see how Jessika and Karen’s employment at the church could possibly continue.

But the elders appreciated Jessika and Karen’s longtime service in the children’s program and wanted them to continue in their role, according to Jessika. They urged them and Jeremy Anderson to work out their differences. Yet it was obvious to Jessika and Karen that Jeremy Anderson no longer wanted them there. They could see the writing on the wall. By that time, Jessika said, he had already been having staff meetings and not inviting them.

“Why would we prolong the inevitable?” Jessika asked. A week later, they turned in their resignations. August 25, 2019, was their last day on staff.

Still, they asked Jeremy Anderson if they could stay on as volunteers with the children. By serving in a volunteer capacity, they hoped they could continue working with the children and stay connected with their church family. Yet he told them no: they could not serve as volunteers.

“He, basically, said that our services weren’t needed anymore,” Jessika said.

Their positions have since been filled by a new staff member. This is Jessika Wilson’s account of what took place.

A Tipping Point

But there’s more. Jessika Wilson reports that Jeremy Anderson told her and her mother that, typically, former church staff members do not continue attending the same church when they leave their positions.

“I think he was just hoping we’d all go away quietly,” she said. But Jessika said she will not leave.

“I was baptized there. My son was baptized there. That is my home and church family,” she told me. Instead she hopes to use whatever influence she still has at the church — including her vote as a member — to save her church from NAR.

But she’s praying that it’s not too late. Many long-time members, she says, who have disagreed with Jeremy Anderson’s changes, have already left the church. And many people new to the church, support Jeremy Anderson’s leadership vision. Jessika believes the church has neared a tipping point; it could go in a NAR direction. And she, along with other concerned members, view Jeremy Anderson’s most recent action – his refusal of the elder board’s call for him to resign and his demand for a church-wide vote of “confidence”/”no confidence” — as another power play.

So, what will the members decide on September 29? All Jeremy Anderson needs is a majority vote – or more than half of the votes – to stay on as pastor. (However, if he receives fewer than two-thirds of the votes, another vote may still be held at a future date, if I understand the church bylaws correctly. At that time, he would need to receive two-thirds of the votes to continue his tenure as the church’s pastor.)

But one thing is clear: a vote of confidence in Jeremy Anderson will be, in effect, a vote for the church to go the way of NAR. And a vote of no confidence will be a stand against this growing organized effort to subvert churches and bring them into alignment with NAR.

After the vote on Sunday, I will post an update. [Read the update here.]


* In the wake of the recent controversy at the church, many of Jeremy Anderson’s sermons have been removed from the church website. Some members of the church, including Jessika Wilson, believe Jeremy Anderson had the sermons removed due to the criticisms over his teachings (though they can still be found on Apple Podcasts). I have also linked to downloaded files of most of his sermons referenced in this article.

About the Author

Holly Pivec is the co-author of A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement and God’s Super-Apostles: Encountering the Worldwide Prophets and Apostles Movement. She has a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola University


[1] Listen to the audio file beginning at about 27 minutes. The sermon, titled “Divine Healing: The Perfect Will of God,” was delivered by Jeremy Anderson on September 1, 2019.

[2] Listen to the audio file beginning at about 32 minutes. This message, titled “Chi Alpha,” was given at Christian Life Center by Jeremy Anderson on June 3, 2018 – six months before he was hired as the church’s lead pastor. He was speaking about his work with Chi Alpha, an official campus ministry of the Assemblies of God. Jeremy Anderson worked, and continues to work, as the West Coast Area Director of Chi Alpha. Listen also to his talk, titled “Vision Sunday,” given at the church on February 10, 2019. At about six minutes in, he lays the groundwork for the teaching that all believers can learn to prophesy.

[3] Listen to the audio file beginning at about 9 minutes. This message, titled “Divine Transitions,” was given by Jeremy Anderson at Christian Life Center on June 9, 2019.

[4] For example, listen to the audio file of the sermon titled “Divine Healing,” beginning at about 24 minutes. Jeremy Anderson quotes Hebrews 1:3 from the Passion Translation.

[5] He made a case for the present-day office of apostle in his message titled “Chi Alpha,” given June 3, 2018. Listen to the audio file beginning about 22 minutes into his message.

[6] A recording of this session was not made available.

[7] The sermon is titled “Every Believer Gives.” Listen to the audio file beginning at about 2 minutes into the message.

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30 Responses to “Is it too late to save this church from NAR?”

  1. Austin Says:

    Hi Holly
    I’d just like to say that the seeds of NAR snuck into Australia back in 1989 when C Peter Wagner was invited to a conference by then AOG pastor, David Cartledge.

    It was not too long after that false prophets Rodney Howard Browne and Jill Austin came, with the fake laughing revivals in 1993 and again in 1996.

    The churches here were assailed by false Prophets from overseas, as well as the rise of both Hill$ong and C3 movements, who eventually morphed into emergent post modernist “churches”.

    These people usually come through the back door, just like Jude said – they have ‘crept in unawares’ and so we need to be very careful to expose their heterodox teachings so that the people of God are not deceived.

    I do hope and pray that God will have His way and that the door to false NAR doctrine and fake apostles will be firmly closed.

    God bless,

    Austin Hellier Downunder

  2. Jeannette Says:

    The leader of the church where I fellowship (not AOG) started promoting and reading The Passion “Bible” in meetings. I tried to warn of this and other dangers (especially “Contemplative prayer” techniques) being brought in, authorised by the denominational leaders. I don’t know if the warning will be heeded, but do know that the Lord has put me there “For such a time as this” and especially for the sake of the “Remnant” in that place.

    In this case it seems more due to ignorance, what appears to be a complete lack of discernment by leaders and bad teaching coming directly through the training college and denominational publications on “Prayer”.

    BUT “Lift up your heads..” (Luke 21:28)

  3. James Ackaret Says:

    Thank you Holly for this article…, this makes me sad, but I’m glad for the warnings. How can a pastor ask someone to leave a church?

  4. debby topliff Says:

    I have been reading your posts and your book for several years now with great appreciation, this specific example of the influence of the NAR in one dear church shows the tactics and teaching of Bill Johnson, Rick, Joyner, etc in a clear and decisive way that many believers will be able to understand. Heresy and deception by their very nature are difficult to see and discern, but the facts of this church are laid out in a straightforward fashion that shows the urgency and severity of their situation. The impact on Jessika and her mother is heartbreaking. Even if someone can’t grasp the ins and outs of the NAR theology, we know that is not how Jesus wants us to treat one another. I, too, was turned on and rejected when I began questioning my previous church’s leadership. As our Lord told us, we are judged by our fruits. Prophesying and preforming miracles in his name is no evidence that he knows us.

    Thank you for this post. I sent an email to the church website urging them to open their eyes.


  5. Bruce Cooper Says:

    Excellent post Holly! I reposted this on my WordPress website with a short intro. Please keep us posted on developments. Grace and blessings!

  6. Chris Says:

    The process described in your article, Holly, is what I call “Bethelization,” and sadly it is not an uncommon occurrence. In the rural Northern California county where I grew up, I can think of at least four AoG churches that have been subsumed into the Bethel empire, complete with the Bethel theology, Bethel music, and even Bethel-style “schools of supernatural ministry.” While it is a bit disheartening to observe Bethelization in action, in a way it also serves as a winnowing process. Those who flock to Bethel-style churches or cast a vote of confidence for pastors like Jeremy Anderson are getting exactly what they want — scratched ears — and demonstrating that they do not belong to Christ. It will be interesting to see how the vote goes; either way, I hope that Jessika and her mother will find themselves in a church that teaches sound doctrine.

  7. Alyson Moore Says:

    My husband and I are the former pastor’s of this church that are referenced in this article. We did not retire, as we are in our late 30s. We merely resigned and moved our family to another place of ministry. With that being said, our hearts are broken for what is going on at CLC. My husband, for 6 years, preached Christ and Christ alone, and to see the stark contrast in “Apostle” Jeremy’s teaching is gut wrenching. We’ve listened to many of his sermons and he says a whole lot without saying anything at all. Nothing is Biblically sound. Kudos to the members who are standing up and being like the Bereans and not just taking what is preached as gospel, but comparing it tot eh Bible. If they are indeed doing that, they will clearly see the false gospel that Jeremy is preaching every week. Again, our hearts hurt for our former congregation. We pray that the lies will be lifted from many of their eyes, and that they will see the truth of who Jeremy is, and that is a false prophet. Kudos to the board for voting him out. Shame on him for being so prideful that he doesn’t resign knowing the incredible dissension he is causing with his false gospel.

  8. Holly Says:

    Alyson, thanks for the clarification that your husband did not retire, but moved on to another ministry. I will update the article to reflect that fact.

  9. VWB Says:

    Holly –
    My family and I left another California AG church (Arena Christian Center) for much the same reason – the new pastor started sneaking in NAR concepts and terminology to (in my opinion) inoculate the membership. Like this story, this new pastor mouthed his endorsement of AG doctrine. Then, in private became very evident he didn’t support it. Started posting “passion” translation passages, saying we were all ‘christs’ (with a little c), denied the AG doctrine of the Rapture and end times eschatology, etc.. In a team meeting he came out and stated that we need to “honor” Bill Johnson because the District Superintendent told him that the district apologized to Johnson for what they ‘did’. The last part has me stirred up since now at a district level BSSM students have started to set up booths at district events.
    Both churches and the District are falling to Johnson’s heresy

  10. Robert Says:

    Here in the UK we have the same problems. All the above mentioned ministries have a strong following especially amongst the young. Music is the drug that entices them in and most have no idea of the doctrine being peddled.

  11. Darla Says:

    To Austin in Downunder. Thank you for your insight. Here in the US when I explain what happened to the AG (and Protestant Christianity) in Australia most people look at me like I’m from another planet. In case you do not know, the book by David Cartledge, The Apostolic Revolution: The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets in the Assemblies of God in Australia, is a first person account of the takeover.
    To Holly. Thank you – again! As you know, almost this exact same scenario happened in my local Church of the Nazarene. This report provides a credible, shareable voice to communicate what is happening – to sound the alarm, “wolves among the flock!”

  12. Tyrone Flanagan Says:

    Holly, this may be a first; a congregation actually putting to an
    authoritative vote whether or not to retain a pastor who has embraced
    NAR doctrines. The elder board must be against him because votes like
    this are rarely taken in AG churches. Ultimately, the authority to lead
    and govern a church must come from the people of God themselves. It is
    from them that leadership rises up and is ordained and recognized. A major problem in the contemporary non denominational churches is that men and women are starting churches and calling a congregation to them
    rather than having a congregation calling and recognizing a pastor. This
    was the pattern of the early church and very few people realize that
    even the bishop of Rome,the pope, was elected and chosen by a vote of
    the laity of the church up until the 7th or 8th centuries. This was how
    Fabian, a farm owner, was elected to be a pope in the early centuries. It’s high time that the leadership of the major pentecostal churches like the AG and the Foursquare churches and men like Jack Hayford who
    love and revere the Word of God, stand up voice their opposition to the
    excesses and errant teachings of the NAR.

  13. Andy Says:

    At least the people have the chance to vote. Our church here in Australia, along with many others, have adopted Rick Warrens covenant membership, which took away all voting rights for pastors. The pastors themselves and their hand appointed elders or a few executives decide who to hire and only they can fire. So all the power rests within themselves. This has meant the only course left for people is to leave. Which thankfully now many are choosing to do when NAR comes into their churches.

    If you are in a church which has some form of constitution with church membership, be very wary of changes like this.

    A hallmark of the NAR is the heavy burdens it places upon people such as tithing, attendance, and of course, performing miracles. No wonder people leave!

  14. Sandy Says:

    Tyrone and Andy make some very good points about church government. It behooves us all to “watch and pray” – pray for the spiritual safety of our churches but also be involved and watchful because often a change in church government precedes a change in spiritual direction. We are Baptists, traditionally churches governed by the congregation through an elected board of deacons or elders and a constitution. A trend in recent years has been for churches to change to a Rick Warren type of covenant membership, which puts a lot of power in the hands of the pastor and a small group hand-selected by him. The reasons given are practical – don’t tie people up in committees required by the old constitution, more efficient operation with “top down management” and so on. This new structure, however, makes it easy for a leader to come in and take the church in a new direction. We know of a small declining church that was purposefully targeted for takeover because it was sitting on a piece of valuable real estate. Thankfully, denominational officials confronted the intruders and the new pastor left. A new church constitution can also open the door to financial abuse, with the pastor making spending decisions and hiring decisions alone and the board now treated as a “sounding board” with no real power.

  15. Circuit Rider Says:

    I listened to as many of the cited sermons by the new pastor as I could stomach. While we know about this particular AG church thanks to Holly’s research, I believe many more have walked down this path in secret, making gradual changes while the sheep get broiled alive.

    Where are the AG pastors with holy grit, like the late David Wilkerson? Every General Council, I watch online and wait for someone to sound the alarm on NAR infiltration of the movement. Is everyone of conscience asleep on their feet? Or have we come to the point where “churchianity” and filling the pews no matter the eternal cost, rules the roost?

    If the AG holds its position statements and bylaws are not to be used as toilet paper, the pastor will be stripped of his credentials and given an opportunity to repent and pursue true discipleship. I also question whether the board should remain. If the pastor had a history of doing this while part of XA, why did they not discover and disqualify him during due diligence? Were they more focused on his youthful demeanor than his theology?

  16. VWB Says:

    Circuit Rider
    Sadly it appears that the district leadership is inclined favorably towards the teachings of Bethel and Johnson. They’ve welcomed BSSM to its men’s conference and wouldn’t answer my email of complaint. It is going to be up to the membership to put the brakes on – district won’t help in that anymore

  17. Brian Westcott Says:

    Thanks for the article. It’s sad we’re seeing this now. I used to be part of both the Assemblies of God and the Church of the Nazarene. One of the reasons I left is because of the influence of the NAR. Trying to find a church that isn’t influenced by it is like finding a needle in a haystack. I am now part of a house church. There is an event called “The Awakening” that will be held in Texas in October and one of their featured speakers is Mike Bickle of IHOP. This event also happens to be sponsored by Crossroads Tabernacle, a Church of the Nazarene.

  18. Update Says:

    He was given a vote of “no confidence” today, 9/29/2019.

  19. Chris Says:


    Jack Hayford has issues of his own, since he is cozy with WoF pastor Robert Morris. As for Foursquare as a whole, it suffers from the same predisposition toward extrabiblical revelation and ecstatic phenomena as AG, so I suspect that NAR infiltration into the movement is probably just as widespread as in AG.

  20. Mark Wilkinson Says:

    Dear Holly, thank you for this article. Is there any update on the outcome of the vote?

  21. Alyson Moore Says:

    The pastor was voted out by the members yesterday.

  22. Joanna Says:

    Praise the Lord!!!!

  23. James Sundquist Says:

    Dear Holly,

    Great forensic expose! And very timely as Elliott Nesch just finished producing a film interviewing Chris Rosebrough exposing NAR. Here is the link:

    This is a good beginning. But the AOG has a host of false teachers they still need to expel, such as Rick Warren. And they need to pay restitution and publish repentance for expelling true saints and hijacking AOG local church properties and seizing their bank accounts.

  24. Austin Says:

    Hi Holly, thanks for the update article. It seems that another church has been rescued by wise oversight and Gods providence in the matter.

    In response to Darla, I was unaware of Cartledge’s book, but with hindsight am not surprised. All the solid people such as Philip Powell and Aaron Morgan were ousted from their Southern Cross Bible school and other board positions during the 1990’s,only to be replaced by those who were planted there by Andrew Evans. Even his own sons fought over who would replace him at Paradise AOG, and when Ashley won that battle, the younger son moved to Melbourne and the end of this family “churches” like Planetshakers were the fruit of politics around the pulpit.

    One error and a whole family virtually owning the movement, has opened the door to false teaching and false prophesy, and many solid lifetime members being forced out, while young and inexperienced people take up ministry roles that they were not called to nor in any way prepared for.
    The church is not a family heirloom, but many retiring ministers pass the church on to their kids or in laws.

    God has no grandchildren Darla, as each generation must choose whom it will serve, when the Holy Spirit draws them.

    God bless you Holly Pivec for posting this 2 part story and let’s hope and pray that those two ladies will be restored to their ministry and church family. Fare thee well…

    Austin Hellier Downunder

  25. Angela Free Says:

    Is there any news as to what the congregation decided? I have been praying about this.

  26. Holly Says:
  27. Peggy Jean Says:

    People this is a wake up call!! Know what the Word says, Satan is slick and he is working overtime
    Study the Bible can’t express it enough.

  28. Headless Unicorn Guy Says:

    My writing partner (a burned-out country preacher on the East Coast) recently referred to the NAR as “Occult Woo-Woo”. The context was correspondence where he said both NAR and Hyper-Calvinists are now going after political power (Seven Mountains Mandate?).

    Previous NAR Woo-Woo has included “Operation Ice Castle” (storming Mount Everest in Spiritual Warfare against the Demon Queen of Heaven – I don’t know where to begin with that one), “Pagan Temple Screamers”, and Killing Mother Teresa through Imprecatory Prayers (sounds like a Death Hex under another name).

  29. Tony Conrad Says:

    I am reading A New Apostolic Reformation by Holly and D Geivett. I’m only on the 5th chapter but so far I do not see much wrong with the NAR doctrine so far. My main reservation has always been with the Toronto Blessing that they all seem to embrace. One little point on here is to do with healing. To point out as ammunition that they believe that God always wants to heals isn’t really a big thing. Lots of christians believe that who are not even in NAR. How can you believe for healing if you don’t know God wants to heal? This is not really a basis to point out as an error of NAR. This is just a matter of opinion with different christians not a basis to damn NAR churches surely.

  30. Jeannette Says:

    To me the main problem with NAR, which is different from other churches and movements, is its postmillennial dominionist teaching. This is the idea that Christians should take over the world for Christ and present it to Him at His return.

    As well as being unbiblical, this teaching is very, very dangerous. We are being set up for mistaking the Antichrist as the true Lord Jesus! “Even the elect” are already being deceived, and the Bible says it will get worse. We need to let the Lord prepare us to be able to stand in these perilous times. A major part of that preparation is to learn discernment, as deception becomes ever more subtle.

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