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One to Watch: Torben Sondergaard

Sondergaard headshotMany people have asked me what I know about Danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard, the founder of the Last Reformation movement, and whether he’s part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

In short, he is part of NAR. Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people’s attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. Three things are clear about Sondergaard, based on a five-minute video clip from one of his teachings. This Youtube clip is titled “How to Remember the 5 Fold Church Ministry” and is part of a longer teaching by Sondergaard, titled “Reformation of the Church System.”

Three things you need to know about Torben Sondergaard

1. Sondergaard advocates a view known as “restorationism.” This is the belief that the church, after the first century, lost important truths and fell into apostasy. Those lost truths are now being progressively restored by teachers such as Sondergaard. Restorationism is promoted by aberrant groups, such as the New Apostolic Reformation movement, along with cults of Christianity, including Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

last reformation cover art2. Sondergaard promotes the present-day governing offices of apostle and prophet, which is the core teaching of the New Apostolic Reformation. Notice, in the video clip, how he references the NAR “fivefold ministry” teaching that the church is to be led by apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds (pastors), and teachers. He describes a prophet as one who points out sin in individual’s lives and gives direction to the church–functions typically reserved for an individual who holds an authoritative office in the church, not just someone who has a prophetic gifting. He also says that a prophet and apostle work in tandem–a common teaching in NAR.

3. He’s very influential. The video teaching I linked to above is No. 17 in a 20-part series produced by an online school founded by Sondergaard, called the Pioneer School. His school teaches people, among other things, how to do miraculous healings. The first lesson in this series, titled “Come Out of the Box,” has received over 300,000 views. In addition to starting a school, Sondergaard has produced full-length Youtube movies, including The Last Reformation: The Beginning (2016), which has received over 800,000 views, and a new movie “7 Days Adventure With God.” These movies claim to document miraculous healings Sondergaard and his followers allegedly perform when they go out on the streets and interact with people they encounter there.

This map from the Last Reformation website shows Sondergaard’s extensive reach. Have you personally encountered his teachings?

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Holly Pivec is the co-author of A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement and God’s Super-Apostles: Encountering the Worldwide Prophets and Apostles Movement. She has a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola University.

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52 Responses to “One to Watch: Torben Sondergaard”

  1. kadri liisa Says:

    I have met some of his followers in estonia. And i have googled about this movement. There is weird understanding about salvation and baptism kind off like oneness ppl has and it made me careful.

  2. Dana Says:

    This has little to do with NAR and instead is just a Cessationist vs Continuationist argument. At least be honest about it. I have disagreements with Torben, but this article is poorly researched and put together.

  3. JLG Says:

    I have gone through Torben’s teaching and attended one of his three day events.  I’m not 100% clear, but want to be.  He IS part of NAR, therefore, his teachings should be rejected?  Thank you for any further clarification you can give me.  I’m SO determined to not fall into error.  God bless you!

  4. Holly Says:

    JLG, in our two books about NAR, my co-author and I explain what NAR teachings are, how they stand up to Scripture, and why they should be rejected. I’m not commenting on all of his teachings in this post. What I am doing is pointing out his part in NAR. NAR teachings, I believe, should be rejected.

  5. Lisa Says:

    My current affiliation is with a non-demonitional evangelical Church. Our
    strength is primarily in The Bible ,missions, & belief in all the gifts
    still applicabke for today. My personal tendency is discernment.

    I’ve been watching Torben for sometime now & recently attended a San Diego
    Kickstart. What was interesting is that Christians from various backgrounds
    could come together in unity over learning the Acts discipleship pattern. 

    I saw more people get healed and delivered in one weekend
    than my 13 years at Church. It happens but somehow the discipleship
    aspect is lacking to encourage believers to step out in God’s will and
    power on a consistent & larger scale.This is where I find the Last Reformation teaching helpful. You don’t 
    have to adopt doctrinal variations you don’t agree with. 

    Granted not everyone is willing to trust God & be willing to objectively observe something out of their 
    comfort zone. The fruit I saw was good. It led to repentance, deliverance, righteousness, and God’s power then working through them. It’s certainly not the pattern my church family has yet to adopt
    but it’s effective. 

  6. Elon Says:

    Hi Holly,

    Thanks for the info on Torben Sondergaard. It’s a name we now know to watch out for. I thought to myself after I read your article, I wonder if this guy has been over here? And indeed yes. One of the NAR congregations (Tiferet Yeshua) over here invited him over to Israel here to “teach”. A major NAR organisation called Fellowship of Israeli Related Ministries (FIRM) also recently invited the likes of Todd White over to impart his “anointing” to youth so they can release his other gospel on to the unsuspecting Israeli public in the street. There are at least 70 congregations, organisations and so-called ministries over here which teach NAR stuff or are under the oversight of these fake NAR apostles and psuedo-prophets, and that’s just the ones we know about.

    Incidentally, people are so wrong to think this is a cessationist vs non-cessationist argument. I and my associates by no means embrace cessationism, yet we recognise this stuff for the heresy that it is. I was in the UK Restoration Movement in the 80’s so I know what this stuff is about and it’s pure poison, but so many are deceived by it. It seems also that many adopt a kind of spiritual pragmatism, “Oh look there are signs and wonders, and love and unity when we all worship together”. This is the kind of woolly thinking that was behind the Pentecostal acceptance of William Branham, regardless of the occult origin of his powers; and the mentality that led the Charismatic Renewal straight into the arms of Rome in the 1960’s, because they saw Mary-worshipping catholics speaking in tongues. When will we learn that signs and wonders and unity and gooey feelings have no relation to biblical truth in and of themselves! People just want power and signs etc, but what did Jesus say: “A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.” This tells us a lot about what calls itself “the Church” today.

  7. Dana Says:

    Elon, 
    What Holly presented here is poor. It reads like a very typical cessationist vs continuationist argument about the 5 fold ministry and equating anyone who believes in it as NAR. There is nothing in this article that “proves” he is NAR. Did you actually watch the excerpt of the video she posted? He did not in any way teach the NAR version of the 5 fold ministry. 

    There are more continuationists who are seeing through the NAR and are warning about their teachings, but don’t think for a moment that continuationists are going to apologize for the ministry roles listed in Ephesians 4 nor the gifts of the spirit outlined in 1 Corinthians 12. If you want to say the NAR has perverted these, then you have to explain this and not just claim if someone believes in the 5 fold ministry that they are NAR. It’s sloppy at best and deceptive at worst.

    There are some very real critiques you could make about Torben. He believes in Jesus only baptism. He believes that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit. He generally thinks everyone needs to go through deliverance at the time of salvation and baptism. One amazing thing he does do though is preach an accurate gospel message, calling people into repentance which those who you call NAR, do not do. 

    I don’t even agree with a lot of what Torben teaches and thought his Last Reformation movie was too anti-church for me, but what has been presented here is so pathetic. You will only get Amen’s from the choir you are already preaching to. If that’s what you care about, then keep doing it.

    Do any of you believe you are setting things straight and presenting truths that have been twisted over time in the church? I guess that makes you NAR according to this article. 

    Do any of you have influence? I guess that makes you NAR according to this article. 

    These are not very good arguments in the eyes of continuationists. That is why it looks like a Cessationist vs Continuationist argument. If you want to reach continuationists, then you need to come up with some better arguments, which if any real research had been done into Torben could have been presented. Yet I don’t think it points to him being “NAR”, but just having a different opinion on how some scriptures are interpreted. From what I’ve seen from this website and others associated with it, calling everyone you don’t like or agree with as part of NAR is just easier. 

    The NAR label is becoming a garbage pail label where you put everyone in it you want to write off. Congratulations for making it meaningless. It’s like liberals during the election who called everyone hitler, racists and homophobes. After a while it just looks like someone crying wolf.

  8. Holly Says:

    Dana, the core teaching of NAR is that the church is to be governed by the fivefold ministry offices–including the offices of apostle and prophet. I linked to a brief video clip where he discusses these offices, but he goes into more detail in his book, The Last Reformation. There it is clear that he views the fivefold ministry not in terms of merely giftings, but as offices . (He identifies himself as an apostle.) He also teaches that these offices were lost by the church in its early centuries but were restored during the Wesh Revival in the early 20th century. These are NAR teachings, not merely continuationist teachings about the miraculous gifts. Dana, if you reread my article carefully I think you will see that I did not claim that being influential makes one part of NAR.

  9. Emily Says:

    Perhaps the term NAR is being used so frequently because the movement has grown and spread like the cancer it is.  So called apostles and prophets going around performing “healings” on people on the street (but conveniently for them, not in hospitals where the real healings are needed) are a dime a dozen these days.  Ridiculous prophecies are spoken nearly everyday and people cling to them like a horoscope, yet the person is never called a false prophet except from discerners like Holly and others who warn the flock.  So, yes, in regards to Sondergaard, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.  Regardless of whether the apostolic gifts are still in existence today, the false NAR apostles and prophets have made a spectacle out of them.

  10. Emily Says:

    **quacks like a duck

  11. Phony Says:

    Having gone through NAR and The Last Reformation groups (Torben), I can say there is a vast difference between the two. NAR are signs, wonders and prophecy focused with weird doctrines that wax worse and worse, lacking a repentance and holiness message, among other discrepancies. TLR uses signs and wonders as a means to minister a repentance and holiness gospel.

    I don’t know much about the 5-fold ministry, but it’s hard to paint Torben with the same overall NAR brush based on this assumption. His message, life and work checks off a lot of boxes, though the movement is lacking in some areas while still learning. Having contact with some people close to leadership and Torben, he is definitely aware of the false NAR influence and speaking out against some of their questionable doctrines, including Identity Teaching.

    Having been personally bruised by the NAR churches, I can understand the knee-jerk reaction to anything that might resemble that. However, for those who are interested in what’s happening at TLR, I would advise a more diligent search before dismissing it.

  12. tcunningham Says:

    Dana says that Sondergaard preaches an accurate Gospel. What is Sondergaards teaching on the Gospel. If anyone who has listened to his body of work could paraphrase.

  13. Michael Ferguson Says:

    For the most part, I find Holly’s research about the NAR true and helpful. I agree with Dana though that at least from appearances much of what she shares herein comes across as a stretch. Overall though, that’s not what caught my attention about this man. His initial comments in the first video- the first 1:30 were excellent. Did any of you really hear any of that? He is 100% correct in saying that turning the spiritual body of Jesus Christ into a business is indeed prostitution. Isn’t that what every single religious institution/organization has done? 

     It is so easy to bring to light the many errors of the leaders and followers of the NAR- most of which are legitimate. But isn’t it long overdue that we face ourselves (those who continue to promote these institutions (leaders) among us, and (followers) who continue to acquiesce to the many unscriptural patterns we’ve been taught wrongly for some 1700+ years? Are the errors of the NAR and worse than the physical religious kingdom building most of us are up to? You sure? 

     I challenge one and all to read the books of Hebrews and Revelation once again. The Christianity this man says he longs for is legit also- sadly the path he has chosen will not lead him to it. That road isn’t about adding anything that we can do to what God has finished. The real road to restoration starts with a personal decreasing from the top down. That is something almost no religious leader has ever been willing to do- to lose their lives for their friends. 

     The real remnant will flee anything that even resembles either Old Covenant theology or religiousinstitutionalism/business. God will destroy it all as He promised and all those who remain within it. This is real blunt spiritual theology found throughout Scripture.

  14. Watchman Says:

    There are HUGE differences between the NAR and Torben Sondergaard and The Last Reformation (TLR).

    The current main proponents of NAR theology are: Bethel Church (Bill Johnson), Iris Ministries (Heidi & Rolland Baker), Global Celebration (Georgian & Winnie Banov), Global Awakening (Randy Clark), Spread the Fire (John & Carol Arnott), but of course there are others.

    I have seen all of the NAR leaders that I have listed speak and “minister” in person and have very very serious concerns about them all. Certainly much of what they do is not biblical and people should be very wary of them and test all things against Scripture.

    I have also been to one of The Last Reformation’s (TLR) “Kickstart” events and have been out on street outreach with them. I am well acquainted with both groups, personally knowing people who are actively involved in both, and would NOT align them with each other in any way. Just because TLR believe in 5 Fold Ministry does not mean that they interpret it or implement it in the same way as the NAR do. TLR are NOT into the mystical experiences of the NAR, or the exaggerated and twisted doctrines of anointing and impartation which the NAR teach, or spiritual drunkenness which the NAR indulge in (which is not from God). There are many other differences and I do not believe that TLR are part of the NAR.

    I don’t think you can base who is part of the NAR solely on their beliefs about Ephesians 4:11 (5 fold ministry). It is certainly ONE test, but there are many other aberrant practices, distorted teachings and false doctrines which distinguish the NAR, some of which I have listed above, and none of which I have seen TLR doing.

    That is not to say that I don’t have concerns about TLR too. I do. Specifically they believe that baptism is a requirement of salvation, also that you HAVE to speak in tongues, and from what I have seen them do, they imply that most (if not all) people need to be delivered from demons. Whilst I believe in the demonic and have seen it manifest, I think their assumption that most people need deliverance required when coming to faith is Biblically incorrect.

    Yes both groups believe in miracles, but that is not sufficient to connect them. Some miracles are of course psychosomatic, some people never were healed, some do experience real healing but it is from a demonic source, and there are still also real valid Christian miracles from God. I am not going to say which of the above possibilities are happening when miracles happen in either the NAR or TLR. That is for each person to discern and come to your own conclusions in accordance with Scripture and the faithfulness of the entirety of the witness of these movements (or not) to the gospel.

  15. james Says:

    Holly has done us a great service to alert us concerning this individual and his movement. Many of Torben Sondergaard’s videos are confusing and strange. He claims (In a dream), he went to Heaven-the new earth. He also went to Hell, and saw Adam there. Another video of a follower of Torben’s claim’s he “saw a Demon sitting in his chair in front of the computer” 

  16. Jeff Says:

    Jesus said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

  17. Elliott Says:

    Thank you Holly for pointing out Torben’s teachings and how they line up with NAR doctrine. He is certainly one to keep an eye on. I’ve read both of your books and greatly appreciate your blog. We are presently working on a documentary film on NAR and your research has been very helpful. If you or others are interested, I wrote a lengthy article on Torben Sondergaard and The Last Reformation movement on my blog here (updated recently to include a quote from your article): https://www.holybibleprophecy.org/2017/06/16/last-reformation-get-back-book-acts/

  18. Holly Says:

    Thanks for the encouraging words and link to your article, Elliott!

  19. Steve Says:

    Hi Holly. 
    Thank you for covering this guy. Its very important.  
    My wife went to one of their Kickstart meetings a few months ago and took my daughter. I wasn’t even aware that she was going.  At this meeting, my little girl was baptized, slayed in the spirit and spoke in tongues. They now regularly meet with other “believers” and go out “healing” people. 

    Because I point out some of the errors of their doctrines, my wife now thinks I’m  a heretic and that I don’t have the Holy spirit because, I myself,  don’t speak in tongues.  According to her I’m a Pharisee and a Sadducee. ( I didn’t know one could be both)  My 10 and 12 year old kids think I’m not going to heaven because my wife  openly tells them this. Moreover, she aggressively promotes the false doctrines of Torben Sondergaard to anyone who will listen. Our home has not been the same since.

    Having said all that,  I want to encourage anyone else who is dealing with similar circumstances. Only the Holy Spirit can deliver the deceived and lead them to Christ. With this in mind, pray that He will rescue your loved ones, opening their eyes to these lies.

    God is sovereign and in complete control. He knows the beginning from the end because He directs it and makes it happen. So pray for faith, strength and comfort for yourself. Teach the truth to your loved ones from the bible.  Don’t let yourself get suckered into silly arguments. Trust the Lord and conduct yourself according to 2 Timothy 2:24-26.

     24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,  25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;  26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
         

  20. Jen Says:

    Wow…powerful testimony regarding TLR in terms of the “fruit” not being good.  After having a powerful experience at one of the Kickstart weekends, I was determined to attend the three week PTS (Pioneer Training School) in either Denmark or North Carolina.  I was absolutely stopped from going.  I now see some of the errors in Torben’s teachings.  Any doctrine taken to the extreme becomes heresy.  Deception is thick.  

    Thank you so much, Holly, for writing this article.  It’s been eye opening.  

    Many blessings.

  21. BMO Says:

    Just some observations:
     
    “1. Sondergaard advocates a view known as “restorationism.” This is the belief that the church, after the first century, lost important truths and fell into apostasy…Restorationism is promoted by aberrant groups…”
     
    Isn’t this essentially the same thing that the Reformers such as Luther and Calvin did when they challenged the Roman Catholic Church?  They believed that certain truths regarding salvation were forgotten and needed to be restored to the Body of Christ.  If we were to use the same standard applied in this article, then the Protestant Reformation was “aberrant” due to it trying to restore forgotten truths.
     
    “2. Sondergaard promotes the present-day governing offices of apostle and prophet, which is the core teaching of the New Apostolic Reformation.”
     
    Can you give direct and explicit Scriptural evidence which says without question that these are no longer a part of the Body and passed away after the Apostolic Age?  If not, isn’t it safe to say that it is within their interpretive right and liberty as brothers and sisters in Christ to have these beliefs?

    I certainly understand that there are interpretive differences between branches and groups of Christianity, some of which directly contradict others…but unless there is explicit Scripture which unquestionably calls those who believe in modern apostles and prophets as deceived, then I think we should be very cautious in the conclusions we jump to.

  22. Graham Says:

    I was just listening to a message on Torben and some of his teaching. You can listen to it here: https://gccsatx.com/torben-sondergaard-last-reformation-cult/
    It appears one of his major errors is teaching we need to be baptised to be saved. How do others see this?

  23. Iris Cox Says:

    Salvation is by faith and he teaches baptism is an obedience. In Acts Peter was asked what must we do to be saved and I believe the answer was repent and be baptized.  He has a separate teaching on baptism because many people are concerned he is teaching works and not faith. See acts 2:38-41.  Note they gladly were baptized. 

    P

  24. mia Says:

    Hey.

    Lisa, it is a cult.

    Please dont look at healings – I know.

    We have to look at the fruits.

    His teaching is all wrong. He says the fruit is how many you get baptished, healed, saved. THATS WRONG. So very wrong.

    He is lead astry himself, if he believe that. The devil decieved him.

  25. Aleksander Limit Says:

    @Graham: The biggest issue with this movement has been the “Full Gospel” teaching. The baptism issue is a result of this teaching. The “Full Gospel” as Torben has defined it in the past is based upon Acts 2:38: Repentance and baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and baptism in the Holy Spirit evidenced by the speaking of tongues. At least in the past there has rarely been mention of the necessity of saving faith and the emphasis has been upon baptism instead of upon the Gospel: Christ’s death for our sins, His burial and resurrection on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This has caused much confusion as to what the Gospel is and how one has peace with God. But yes, at least in the past Torben has taught that baptism itself washes away our sins and is both part of salvation and part of the Gospel.
    Here is a list of resources that may be helpful to you regarding TLR’s and Torben’s teachings: https://hammerofthelordministries.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/hammer-of-the-lord-ministries/ 
     
     
    @Iris: That isn’t surprising as his whole soteriology is built upon Acts 2:38. He has rarely mentioned the necessity of faith in salvation (at least in the past) and Torben has redefined faith to mean obedience.  The natural conclusion would be that he is teaching a works based system of salvation. What does it mean that we are saved by faith, is it by faith alone or by faith plus something else? This is an absolutely critical question to answer as it is key to how one has peace with God.
    I strongly disagree, Torben does not teach that baptism is merely an act of obedience, but seems to teach that baptism itself remits our sins and frees us from the power of sin. And then there is the issue of baptism being used as a means of deliverance from demonic possession. 

    Also Torben and TLR have not been very clear on what they believe, there have been hints of kenotic Christology (Jesus was baptised in the Holy Spirit after He was baptised. If we have the same Holy Spirit, we can do everything that Jesus did (Kenosis teaches that Jesus emptied Himself of His deity and lived as a man fully reliant on the Holy Spirit during the incarnation. If we live our lives fully reliant upon the Holy Spirit, then we can do everything that He did)) and Modalism/Oneness (The name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus (Modalism/Oneness teaches that there is one person in the Godhead, whom manifests Himself in three different forms: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit according to this teaching)) in the past, this is very troubling as these are heretical teachings.

    Note that they do not ask what they must do to be saved in Acts 2:37, but that in response to hearing Peter preach on Christ’s crucifixion and His resurrection, that they ask “Brethren, what should we do?”

  26. joah Says:

    There is clearly a lot of confusion about Torben’s teaching on baptism and the 5 fold ministry. 

    BAPTISM:

    Torben teaches baptism for “salvation”, people here are spooked about this as it is the blood of jesus that saves us. However the word “salvation”is used in different manners by people reading this and the way TLR uses it. Here salvation is interpreted as in “heaven or hell”, however this is not his view. He explains about being saved from sin (instead of hell). This is a MAJOR difference and makes his teaching totally biblical in my view. 

    People here see salvation as vertical line as in you are saved or not saved. The bible speaks almost 75% of salvation being the end of your walk IF you continue in the faith. When you think vertical (as in a point of time), then baptism is not necessary. However the bible teaches it as the way, horizontal, a walk you have to walk, a life you have to live. In this biblical view one must be baptized to be (to reach, of be able to walk to salvation) saved. For without baptism one is still a slave to sin. Forgiveness is by His blood that paid the price. But if you are forgiven and start walking the way without baptism, you WILL soon stray from the narrow and start walking the wide way not to salvation. Faith is not an “inner state of being” as in, “i have faith on the inside and that enough”. Faith is obedience to what you believe. Abraham was justified by faith right then when he believed God (just as your faith and repentance forgives you), but James 2 tells us that after He believed He OBEYED God what established his faith (living the obedient life). If Abraham did not obey after faith he would not be righteous any longer, for faith can only be faith WITH obedience. Jesus said you must be born again out of water (baptism) and spirit (receive HS). This is the complete birth process. Is a baby born when the baby is out of the mother but not yet breathing on his own? When paul said that “when you believed” he is always talking about the whole process of repentance baptism and Hs. Compara Ephesians “when you believed”. And acts 19 HOW the Ephesians believed. Faith is a whole package. How can you say i believe in Jesus (whom preaches baptism) and then say “but baptism is not so important for salvation”. Remember Abraham obeying his faith. Faith is obedience, obedience is impossible without the baptism and HS. We need to LIVE faith in order to reach salvation. If you are on the way you are saved and on your way to salvation IF you continue in the faith.

    the story of Israel is the story of our salvation (promised land). Israel was taken slaves in Egypt (the sinful world). God the Father had a plan to free them of slavery (sin). Through the blood of the lam (on the doorposts) faro had to let them go. The blood of Jesus. And the people had to leave egypt with UNLEAVENED bread (repentance of sin 1cor). So through the blood of Jesus and repentace to the Father they where out of Egypt. (You say this is the POINT of salvation). However faro came after them to make them slaves again. The where out of Egypt but not yet free, so they went through the red sea (baptism in Jesus) and faro drowned. Now they are really free and underway to the promised land. However they needed the law of god to live there, and god gave the 10 commandments on mount sanai 50 days after they went out of Egypt and 3000 where judges by the law (this is Pentecost, 50 days after jesus, 3000 where saved and received the law written on their heart). However the whole generation died in the dessert because of disobedience except joshua and caleb. Joshua is Jesus caleb is us. Calab means unconditionally faithfull. And they only went into the primised land. We NEED it all! We need to live ovedient lives only made piossible by baptism and the will of God written on our hearts. 

    5 Fold ministry.

    The intrepetation of the function of the 5 fold ministry is crutial. They are the foundation of the church. Not clearly seen in big spot lights but equipping the saints to DO the work. 

  27. reggie Says:

    I do not see fundamental errors like the grace, prosperity or the gold dust movement. this movement just encourages ordinary people to be active instead of passive. isn’t that good and what is missing in the church today?

  28. TLRCULT Says:

    I was part of this movement from approximately June 2015 to July 2017. I firmly believe it is a cult. I know Torben personally. I was a “green dot” on the map as a recommended contact. I know what TLR is about in depth. I left the movement because of the false gospel (works based religion), the cult-like behaviour of his followers (including the strange things they do), and Torben’s cult behaviour towards me. TLR keeps its momentum based on all the hype and sensationalism from the kickstart events and the movies. They are a cult because they believe they have the right formula for salvation, the “true gospel” – step 1 2 and 3. They do not truly believe in grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9), therefore it is works based. This causes an elitism about it which makes them believe they are better than other believers. Torben also has this radical belief that living by faith means selling everything and letting other people support you and your family. He believes this because that is what he did. He encourages this at the PTS school. We have seen many people come back confused about life and what they should be doing. The reality is God calls people differently for different purposes – Paul was a tent maker for a number of years. He also paid his way in Rome. The theology in TLR movement is extremely bad. They lean on many oneness Pentecostal heresies in many ways. Their theology behind “deliverance” is completely wrong and it leads people into bondage. The TLR signs and wonders is very questionable, none can be medically verified. I recommend people stay away from TLR movement. We have been extremely hurt by so many people when we left this cult. Praise God we are still standing and our faith in Him is stronger than ever. We just need some rest from all the drama and vicious behaviour. They won’t listen to reason. All you can do is pray for them.
    TLRCULT.COM

  29. Josh Says:

    I could not have said it better. This summarize what I have seen. So many people destroyed by these devils ! It is sad.

  30. Josh Says:

    @TLRCULT.COM I would love to get in touch with you. Anyway to do that ?

  31. adamvonm Says:

    @TLRCULT:
    Dear TLRCULT, is it possible, to get in contact with you?
    In the last few months I’ve been thinking about getting Kickstarted by someone at the TLR-movement, because they are doing something more than just sitting in a church pew.
    But it could help me a lot, to choose the right way…
    Thank you in advance,
    Greetings from Hungary

  32. TLRCULT Says:

    Sure, happy to chat to you guys, you can email: thelastreformationcult@gmail.com

    We will compile a list of information from people’s experiences with TLR. So please email us so we can add more information to the site.

    Is it not interesting that nearly all the people in the first movie have completely left the last reformation? We cannot just ignore this fact? Something is very much wrong with the movement…

  33. Ian Francis Says:

    Dana, I hope the essence of this argument is not cessationist vs. continuist, otherwise there is no point in delving deeper into it on my part. There is no question we need the gifts of the Spirit coupled with love in this age of unbelief. The gifts are available and accessible to all who would but believe in the power tools of God, the baptism in the Spirit being the greatest gift the infinitely loving Jesus could give to His Church. Torben is for the power of God being made manifest, this I know. Some very respectable charismatics affirm his ministry. On the other hand, I understand he is off with the chanting (false tongues) and insistence on baptism in water as a means of salvation. Major errors in the overall picture of his ministry. One might call him dangerous.

  34. Josh Says:

    @Ian Francis, Sorry Ian but how many “dangerous” things do you need to realize this guy is out of his mind ?

  35. Josh Says:

    @TLR Cult I will writ eyou soon. Yes it is a bad sign that all the people who were in the 1st movie not only have left but have condemned the guru… And more people have left since who were not in the movie either because they were taking too much of Torben’s space or they just realized the guy is a crook.

  36. Josh Says:

    @TLR Cult. HI I wonder if your address is properly spelled. I sent you an email and I am getting an error message. I ‘d like to help you with infos if you are building a web ite to expose this demon of Torben Sondergaard and his cult.

  37. Ian Francis Says:

    @Josh, I have no problem with any Christian apologist stating that “Torben is dangerous”. The necessity of water baptism for salvation put the nail in the coffin for me.
    People in the 21st Century are desperate for spiritual experience and that is because we are made in the image of God and Western society in particular(including the Western Church) pivots on hyper-rationality. Sadly the best this world has to offer is the likes of Torben right now, who has the passion and believes in the power of God, but in general is producing the fruit of a counterfeit experience.

  38. TLRCULT Says:

    Hi Josh

    The email is working, thelastreformationcult@gmail.com. Please email us your experiences, and findings so we can compile.

  39. Dave terpstra Says:

    I hope the people who condemn the faithfull and Spirit filled will be saved or taught the truth…Even if someone teaches that you must be baptized to be saved is not a heritic,,,he just emphasizing what a christian should do,, gosh!!! , it’s nuts that they cannot see that healing the sick,casting out demons, pointing people to Jesus is NOT a cult..

  40. Dave terpstra Says:

    Last reformation is not a Cult,,,,perhaps those who followed Jesus and claimed He had a spirit of B are the cult leaders…

  41. Alan Says:

    First off look up the definition of cult. It doesn’t fit. I was a outlaw biker with strong affiliations to the KKK and EXTREME right wing politics. I am now a born again Christian. I wouldn’t be if it wasn’t for TLR. Torben introduced me to Jesus and now I am a follower and a disciple, not of Torben or TLR but a follower and disciple of Jesus Christ. I might follow Torben on facebook but I follow lots of other too. What I do is not up to TLR, never was, never will be and never was I ask to do such. If Torben is leading people to Christ then he is doing GODS work. I say to all detractors that maybe instead of critiquing, why not pray for the man.
    I would warn anyone reading the above commentaries that are just accusing and critiquing Torben without ending by suggesting praying for the man to see the light is wrong and evil based. Christ said to love your enemy so prove you follow Christ by praying that GOD guide and steer Torben to bring more like me to Jesus. Oh I overheard someone asking Torben what he should do with his life now that he was baptized and Torben looked at him with a puzzled look and said ” Why are you asking me, Pray and ask GOD what you should do?” Doesn’t sound like a cult leader to me!!

  42. TLRCULT Says:

    Firstly the term “cult” is subjective itself. There are different ways to define it. Secondly, you are right, we should pray for the man and all the people caught up in it. I have said this before – I feel it is fundamentally the most important thing we can do.

    In terms of the word “cult” here is a link which explains better http://www.equip.org/perspectives/what-is-a-religious-cult/

    LET’S PUT THE LAST REFORMATION THROUGH A CULT TEST:

    1. Are members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization?

    – Yes, the last reformation is. Torben Sondergaard is the main man. He controls the movement. You just have to ask anyone about “The Last Reformation“, the first thing they will think of is Torben Sondergaard. He is their super star for nearly all the videos. Torben Sondergaard is the only one who defines doctrine on the pioneer school lessons. Furthermore, if Torben Sondergaard doesn’t go to a kickstart the numbers will be significantly less or none. The whole movement revolves around what Torben Sondergaard says and does.

    2. Manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty?

    – Only people who have worked closely with Torben Sondergaard have reported him to be like this. He has treated a number of these people very badly. He has a history of doing so well before starting the TLR. He has even kicked people out of PTS school. He has had a number of fall outs with all his main men such as in the first movie? I suggest you contact them individually to find out. The charismatic and charming face you meet at the kickstart events is not necessarily the real man behind the camera or kickstart show. Charismatic leaders who have two sides is another sign of a cult leader.

    3. Cut off from all former associations, including their own families?

    – Reports from people that The Last Reformation has split up marriages, families and friendships. You can find some of these testimonies online. It has especially been the case when they minister to people about marriage and relationships. Even I can testify to this due to the elitism based on “the full gospel”. I thought I was superior to average church going Christians. After all WE were going around “kickstarting”. We had a deeper revelation than them on the gospel. I thought I was doing all these impressive things while they were just pew sitters. It just puffed me up and led to me totally cutting off the former associations. I have seen exactly the same happen with others in this movement. Most of the baptisms you see at kickstart events are actually existing born again Christians. They are in reality RE-baptising them into The Last Reformation.

    4. Any group that deviates from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith?

    – There is no doubt they have turned salvation into a process of steps 1 to 3. My question is if salvation is a process does this mean we are only saved at the completion of step 3? Furthermore, show me in the Bible where do all believers speak in tongues? Show me in the Bible if there a connection between tongues and salvation? The Last Reformation does they imply that these things exist, and the result is you are a lesser of a believer if you don’t speak in tongues. In my opinion, this deviates from orthodox evangelical faith.

    5. Distort fundamental Christian doctrines such as the (a) Trinity, (b) the deity of Christ, and (3) salvation by grace through faith alone?

    a – The Last Reformation does not have any “statement of faith” in relation to the trinity. We know many “oneness” Pentecostals, and “Holy Spirit only cults” who follow Torben. For example – His practise of baptising people “in the name of Jesus” makes their position on the trinity questionable. Will he come out with a doctrinal position about the trinity?

    b – Deity of Christ – Likewise, there is no “statement of faith”? Will he come out with a doctrinal position about this?

    c – Salvation by grace through faith alone – This is where I feel they have salvation through works. It is another gospel to what we read in the Bible. There is very little emphasis on faith and the finished work on the cross. Therefore repentance they teach is more like confession to a priest. Baptism is a clean up mode so you hopefully will receive the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues. We know people who have been baptised eight times because they thought doing the process would fix all their problems in life. People get put into bondage.

    d – Not only is it works through steps 1, 2 and 3 but it is also works and performance based following. Some followers worry if they don’t do enough maybe they will fall away. The need for kickstarting is in reality “scalp collecting”. The pressure to make disciples becomes a competition between all his followers. I know because I did this myself and I’ve seen with other people. In the end it puts people more and more into bondage. We have seen a boast-fest at TLR meetings, who has the best testimony for the week. People feel like they are not performing enough compared to others. The biggest problem is the majority of the movement are all trying to copy Torben and be like him. It is wrong. They have elevated the man into some apostle guru type.

    6. Is the Bible to be authoritative? Do they manipulate the Scriptures to fit their own beliefs?

    – In fairness, Torben normally claims that the bible is authoritative, but when you take a closer look at what they are practising we can see that it is extremely experiential, especially when it comes to deliverance and divine healing aspects. Maybe Torben can explain where in the Bible we will find deliverance in water baptism? I have asked him this question in person, his reply is always to the effect “not everything is in scripture”. In otherwords, Torben has no problem going beyond scripture to create new religious practises for his followers. So it seems to be the bible when we feel like it but based on what we feel and experience the rest of the time. This is a type of mysticism which is similar to the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

    – In his book, Sound Doctrine, which he claims to have written after the 40 day fast after receiving revelation from God (Apparently, he ate soup everyday so I’m not sure what type of fast that really is?). I have seen people using this book like it is new revelation from the Lord through Torben. What this does is start to elevate Torben into a type of Apostle figure? This is another reason why the movement has similarities to the NAR.

    7. Does the Last Reformation have a cult following?

    – If we have a look at Torben’s YouTube videos or facebook posts you will literally find hundreds of comments from Torben’s loyal followers attacking anyone who says anything against him, or even dares to question the movement. Let’s be honest, a lot of these are incredibly vicious and nasty. If The Last Reformation movement is really a movement from God then where is the fruit of the spirit? We have tasted this treatment first hand. As soon as we left the movement we were attacked from many angles. It was nasty. It was personal. We definitely did not feel loved by any of his loyal followers. We felt rejected and lost. Frankly it took us a long time to recover from it. We are not alone, there are other people who have experienced the same treatment.

    We could definitely explore this topic further. Hopefully, it sheds some light on the terminology of “cult” and defines it better in relation to the last reformation. Many may not care that much and they will choose to follow the hype and sensationalism of the last reformation movement. Unfortunately, many people in the church today are so desperate to see a move of God that they will fall for any counterfeit revival.

    The reality is so much of The Last Reformation IS NOT REAL. It is made up of really good story telling and exaggerating truths. There are so many unanswered questions from all the wondrous claims Torben has made which really need to be fully investigated.

    For our brother who said he was from motorcycle gangs, then went into the KKK and then into the last reformation movement. Brother, I genuinely and sincerely need to ask if you are seeking acceptance or fulfillment in a group or from a movement? Are there deeper issues which you need to face so the Lord can really help you? The reason I ask this question is because we have seen similar patterns in behaviour before. Often people can go from one deception to another. Are they searching for the truth in the wrong places? I strongly feel that God can reveal to you if there is a problem. Allow him to speak to your heart through his word. If you cannot do that then seek professional help. We will also keep you in our prayers.

    Please email us at thelastreformationcult@gmail.com if you have any questions.

  43. Watchman Says:

    Thank you TLRCULT for this helpful examination and insight into TLR.

    It is also extremely arrogant for them to claim that they are the LAST reformation. To assume that one has everything right and that no further refining is required is not displaying the humility God desires in order to keep changing us into his likeness. If one is not humble and open to correction, one is likely to dig one’s heels in the ground on important theological issues just for the sake of it. We all need to be willing to admit we might be wrong on different issues and be willing to submit ourselves to the authority of Scripture as revealed THROUGHOUT the Bible.

    Unfortunately TLR are obsessed with the Book of Acts, and take their guidance for everything from there. However every book of the Bible has equal authority and fits together with each other. If wisdom and truth from another book of the Bible show that one’s behavior and practices are wrong, then you need to be open to the fact that you might have misinterpreted something. But TLR are NOT willing to do that!

    So playing by “their” biblical rules (i.e. only looking at Acts for guidance), since they believe one HAS to be baptized to be saved, what do they think of Acts 2:21 which says “And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved”. It doesn’t say everyone who is baptized, or everyone who speaks in tongues, it says everyone who calls on the name of the Lord, which is a demonstration of faith in Jesus alone – no other actions required. So how does Torben explain that? The fact is he can’t, and he is not willing to be challenged by Scripture, he has already made up his mind!

    TLRCULT, do you have any idea when your TLR CULT website will be up and running? The world needs a website dedicated to exposing just TLR on its own and warning people, although of course Holly’s site is excellent!

  44. Josh Says:

    @TLRCult
    I can personally confirm that all what you wrote is true. I was directly hurt by these people who destroyed my couple. Torben and all his minions are lead by an evil spirit of jealousy and hatred. They ignore the scriptures and have developed their own doctrine that is very variable and depends on their own needs. Only ignorance can explain why some people are still falling in this trap.
    Thank you TLRCult for doing such a complete comment.

  45. james Says:

    Alan, TLRCULT outline is an excellent source. I would also read some of the articles I have named (James Aug 9, 2017) on TLR site. These alone would cause for alarm and concern.

  46. John Says:

    A reply to Steve but comments to all:

    1. Your wife sounds perhaps a bit immature (though enthused).

    2. In other Neo-Charismatic groups often the seeking after visions, miracles etc. take the place of other spiritual gifts. They had the tendency to all all in their meetings irregardless of what it was or who brought it in. The Pentecostals focused on tongues as the one “initial evidence” doctrine. Several of those on the original and founding Assemblies of God board resigned when this became church law. Bosworth was one of them. At Azusa way back in the 1906 era the leaders there knew that hypnotists and spiritists had come into the meetings to try their influence there. But in the decades that followed church people forgot about such things. Some of these are in pulpits now. Too bad that seeking after the gift of DISCERNMENT was not as equally emphasized among these groups and ministries. Torban has a video out speaking about False Teaching where they DO look into weird manifestations. If they are allowed to look and to question they you are allowed to look and to question and so too your wife.

    3. Colossians chapter 1: What does that say about “The Great Commission”? Where else is the Great Commission referenced in the NT (outside of the Gospels of course). BUT if you want to go with it then what was commanded of the 11? Take a look back at the commanding of them? 1. “Preach [in word and in deed] the Gospel of the Kingdom” (most fire this into the future and place the thing that was to be seek first out of reach and out of grasp – the kingdom of God that does not come with observation – the rule realm and reign of God in the individual and also in the corporate body) 2. Heal the sick. 3. Cast out demons. If the Evangelical version of the Great Commission is in play then this MUST be part of it too.

    4. Get Mary Alice Chrnologar’s book TWISTED SCRIPTURES. Great for everybody not only those who are in abusive churches or pseudo-Christian cults. It will break though any programming.

  47. Murray Forbes Says:

    I think you do a disservice to Sondergaard’s ministry. The significant error of the NAR along with a lot of other churches is ecumenism which identifies them with the falling away. Sondergaard does not preach ecumenism at all. So it is a disservice to him to undermine his teaching unjust association as you are doing. I have been encouraged to see the works described in the book of Acts performed in public places by Sondergaard and his teams – people being baptised in water and the Holy Spirit, the manifest healings performed by people exercising their faith in Jesus is very encouraging to see. And I hope it will encourage many others. There is a need for more circumspection before we pass judgement.
    I also counsel you to consider the Holy Spirit’s admonition through Paul regarding the issue of headship and the spiritual dangers identified in James3:1 and 1Tim2:12-14. You may be walking a dangerously fine line between operating a blog and actually teaching in the church. I speak out of concern for your spiritual welfare.

  48. Sean Christie Says:

    Torben’s teachings are full of errors as already listed. Spiritual gifts are still active today, but not as being taught in the NAR movement or The Last Reformation. And although they share some similarities, they are different. And birds of a feather do stick together and Torben working with Todd Bentley and Todd White speaks for itself. I have my own story with being blessed with the gift of healing. It was when I realized this that I was introduced to false teachers in NAR and TLR. I got excited believing that all could heal based on their teaching of Mark and I took a group of Torben followers to a local hospital here in the Philippines. I saw Jesus instantly heal many. Even people that I still work with and live in the same complex today. Deaf ears instantly open. Eyesight healed. 20 years of migraines gone. Unable to have children….pregnant that week. Arthritis pain healed and never returned when checked on months later. But God opened my eyes to the lies of their teaching and that as Paul says……we don’t all have the same gifts. Then God showed me the errors of his baptism teaching and so much more. I mentioned this to the Torbenites I was out with and they all turned their backs on me because I wouldn’t believe Torbens teaching. I could show how Torben was wrong from the bible….but they chose to stick by Torbens side. True cult attitude. The only so called miracles they see are little pains disappear and there’s many videos where atheists use the power of suggestion and get the same results. I’ve made a video that shows much of the errors of Torbens teaching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcn-rQ0EQms&t=684s

  49. Jim Says:

    It’s great to hear all of the people now standing against the teachings of TLR and Torben. Last year I wrote a book that exposes some of their central false teachings. If you want to know more check out my ebook on Amazon (only $3.99 – I didn’t write it to make money). The reason I researched TLR and Torben is because I have many friends affected them. If any of you can help me with more personal information and facts that can help expose this false teaching, please let me know.

    I am a person who believes in miracles today, the gift of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues and so on. But the teaching of Torben are SOOOOO wrong and dangerous.

    Here is my book link.
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_6_20?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+last+reformation+%26+torben+søndergaard%27s+false+teachings+exposed&sprefix=the+last+reformation%2Caps%2C222&crid=20NZ4TYDSONJ4

    Here is a Facebook Page Exposing the teaching.
    https://www.facebook.com/The-Last-Reformations-False-Teachings-Exposed-1630015690373569/

  50. InHisSpirit Says:

    I am so sad.
    All those lost soul. I too was decieved.
    I went to the street healer, prayed for many and I know Some were healed. I went to hospital and prayed, and I felt af miracle did happen. BUT sortering was wrong.
    Deep inside med I felt kind ofor empty, even though I at the same time was sure I was the only right one. (And people like me) In the Church they were just lukewarm. But hey look at me.
    But the emptiness inside (even thogh saved +baptised ) would not be quiet.
    THEN at His Grace. He led me to Him. AfteR seaking praying and fasting He made me New. He gave me a New heart and noW I Can see.
    I saw shining Godly Christians in Church. And peoplet I thought Was so spinitial, I suddenly woke up, and saw they were not. Those spirits would attack me with anger, because. I saw the truth. I sometimes Wonderd
    WWho thouse falce were, but now. I know.
    Please seekJesusnotman. Seek Him before it is too late.

  51. damian Says:

    Water is the word of God, and spirit is the holy ghost. We are not baptised into Johns baptism,( CHRIST HAS ACCENDED ) but into christs spiritual water baptism. Verily verily I say..except ye be born of water and spirit, you cannot enter into the kingdom of god. Except ye be converted and become as little children, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 24.24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    2 Corinthians 11.4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    1 Corinthians 14.27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,(TORBENS) having itching ears.

    Torben is operating under the counterfit holy spirit (kundalini) Da,da,da,da,da,da,da,da,da.da.da,th,th,th,th,th,th,th,th,th,th …..is 100% demonic kandalini..

  52. Josh Says:

    Torben Sondergaard is just running a business on ignorance and weakness of his followers.

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