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‘Already Been Tested’ Prophetic Words?

September 18th, 2015 | 7 Comments | Posted in Charisma Magazine, R. Loren Sandford, Testing Prophecies

rubber stampWhen I was a child, I’d hear my friends make crude lunchtime jokes about “ABC” food–as in, “already been chewed.” But in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), some prophetic words are “ABT”–as in, “already been tested.” To see what I mean, check out this article, posted on a blog published by Charisma Magazine.

The article, written by the NAR prophet R. Loren Sandford, is titled, “Tested Prophecy Speaks to Pre-Revival Warfare.” It records a prediction that a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit is on the way and will be accompanied by intense spiritual warfare. The claim that seems to be made–in the article’s title–is that the truthfulness of this prophetic word has already been tested. Tested by whom? Presumably by NAR leaders. By what standard? We’re not told.

So what’s the problem with “ABT” prophetic words?

The problem is they promote blind faith. They encourage people to pass the buck to their leaders rather than learn to test prophetic words for themselves–on the basis of Scripture and careful reasoning. Such unquestioning acceptance would seem to be a natural result of the claim that the words have already been tested. In other words, “No need to test this prophetic word because it was already tested for you.”

This begs a question. Why would Charisma’s editors feel the need to add the word “tested” to the title in the first place? Perhaps people in the NAR have been burned so many times by prophetic words that never materialized that an authoritative descriptor is needed to capture their attention. Or perhaps they’re providing a short cut to the Bible’s requirement that prophetic words be tested.

But Scripture gives no indication that people are to just accept “pre-tested” prophetic words. On the contrary, they’re warned repeatedly to evaluate prophetic words for themselves. The Apostle Paul told the members of the church at Thessalonica to “not despise prophecies, but test everything” (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21). He told the Corinthian Christians, “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said” (1 Corinthians 14:29). And the apostle John warned about the presence of false prophets and urged Christians to “not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God” (1 John 4:1).

Watch out for “ABT” prophetic words.

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7 Responses to “‘Already Been Tested’ Prophetic Words?”

  1. John Says:

    These people really will do whatever it takes to discourage the average wo/man in the street from testing their words. It reminds me of something I saw on the Elijah List some months ago that essentially quoted “by the mouths of two or three shall the matter be established” and then said that because the prophet and the webmaster agreed it was true the matter was established and it was true.

    If only they had had a feedback section because I wanted to find someone to agree with me that it was garbage and thereby establish the matter. When something is both sound and garbage at the same time you can be sure the means of validation needs adjusting.

  2. Austin Hellier Says:

    I agree 100% with your comments on testing prophetic utterances, that claim to be from God. As a long term Pentecostal Christian, I have seen and  heard many ‘strange birds’ give forth what they claimed was a ‘word’ from the Lord.

    Often it was either totally unbiblical, or just someone seeking to push themselves forward for some kind of recognition. Of the times I could say that it was genuine, the message per se would come from a mature Christian. It would be measured, not froth and bubble. It would contain substance and would be more akin to an encouragement, which had scriptural backing. It did not contain ‘new’ revelation from outside the Bible, unlike today’s false prophecy proponents.

    Discerning leaders at such meetings where spiritual gifts were being manifested, had no problems with tactfully telling some congregants that they did not feel that some messages were from God. That’s the way it was in decent churches back then (1970’s up to mid 1980’s).

    Nowadays you have all manner of false prophets, who have no gifting and calling from God, but they do have agendas of self promotion, and as Paul said in Acts 20:30 that some men would come, speaking perverse things so as to lead people out of local churches and follow them into error.

    Essentially, that is what has happened. C.Peter Wagner was brought to Australia in 1989, and the NAR rot really began to set in, but it was so subtle back then, that no one really realised what was happening. Old guard Pentecostal leaders were replaced by younger men who had a zeal, but no real deep knowledge of God, nor had they learned the lessons of the Latter Rain errors of the 1940’s and 50’s. 

    They were sitting ducks for deception back then, and now we have the NAR and emergent churches like Hill$ong that have deceived tens of thousands of people with their false gospel and their love of money.

  3. parishioner Says:

    another form of “abt” i just experienced was at a conference recently where someone was introduced as already established as credible.  “if she says it, you can pretty much take it to the bank.”  it was subtle, but anyone humble whom god is actually using with the gifts will want individual words tested, etc.  the person should want god’s word obeyed each time, not be looking for a bypass to establish personal credibility with no subsequent testing.  the gifts are for the body, and the holy spirit is at work through the body, and words need to be tested EACH TIME.  when anyone in a leadership position says this isn’t necessary, they either have weak faith concerning the role of the holy spirit in the entire congregation, or they’re disobedient as a result of trying to usurp his role.  bad call either way — better to obey the scriptures you cite.

  4. Wendy Says:

    Hi Holly, 
    Great website, thanks for doing this, there must be a lot of work involved.
    Do you know anything about Neville Johnson in Australia?

  5. Austin Says:

    Wendy, here’s a wiki reference to Neville Johnson, and there are others besides (not all of them are this kind):


    Sounds like he might be LRM or similar.


  6. Jeff Says:

    Loren Sanford was raised by occultist in Christian disguise. His were trained by Agnes Sandford (no relation) who wrote a book called “Healing Light” which was widely acclaimed in new age/occult circles. She used Christian terms, but it was all new age and occult practices.

    Loren is a well-liked NAR prophet, but instead of renouncing his parent’s heretical bent, he exalts them as great parents, which only shows his own true colors.

    You can find those new age teachings in a lot of supposedly Biblical deliverance ministry practices of the last 40 years: visualisation, time traveling back in memories, guided imagery, among other practices new agers use. These practices are strictly forbidden to Christians because of their occult nature.

  7. Joe Says:

    Noticed a lot of this coming out of people associated with A.A. the founders had seances & one communicated with a spirit named Bonaface, he claimed was some 15 or 16 th century munk. He had other encounters with different spirits and used automatic writing & ouiji boards

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