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What Is God Saying for 2014?

What is God Saying for 2014 artworkNew Apostolic Reformation (NAR) prophets will converge in Albany, Oregon, at Jesus Pursuit Church, on Jan. 9-11, for a conference titled “What Is God Saying for 2014?

This annual event, sponsored by Elijah List Ministries, provides a forum for NAR prophets to proclaim what God has told them about the new year ahead. The NAR prophets and leaders who will be featured at the 2014 event will be Dutch Sheets, James Goll, Jane Hamon, Denny Cline, and Steve Shultz.

And you won’t want to miss this year’s event, according to promotional materials for the conference. They state, “In these times of great uncertainty, it’s really important to find out, ‘What is God saying for 2014?’” They also state:

Each year, these speakers provide the very meaning of what is God REALLY doing and saying for this year; the upcoming year of 2014! The accuracy level by these prophetic voices has always been very high on what God is about to do, and it gets more accurate each year as the “prophetic ear” of the Church grows in accuracy. This conference is specially planned each calendar year to help you prepare for the upcoming year. We want you to be aware of what’s happening in the coming year of 2014. 2014 is obviously going to be a VERY PIVOTAL YEAR. Don’t miss this one!

I’d like to make a couple of comments contrasting the NAR prophecies at this event with the biblical prophecies.

New and Improved Prophecies for 2014–Now With Less Errors!

First, notice how the promotional materials claim that the accuracy level of the speakers has always been “very high.” In fact, they are getting more and more accurate every year. The teaching that the accuracy of prophets will increase as the end time approaches is common in the NAR movement. Yet, this notion–that prophets will become increasingly accurate as the years goes by–has no biblical basis.

The very fact they claim their accuracy is improving shows they have given inaccurate prophecies. This is telling.

It is important to understand that NAR prophets claim they have similar authority and functions as the Old Testament prophets. Yet, they don’t believe they are held accountable to the same standards as the Old Testament prophets, which, according to Scripture, included 100 percent accuracy in their predictions (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

I’d like to look at the prophecies given at last year’s event to see just how accurate they were. But, unfortunately, I can’t find out what the prophecies for 2013 were without buying the CDs–which leads me to my next comment.

Pricey Prophecies

Notice how you are urged to attend this conference (or view it via live Web stream) so you can know how to prepare for the upcoming year. Apparently, it is crucial for you to be there so you can find out pivotal information God thinks you should know.

But what if you can’t make it? Don’t worry. You can buy the CDs after the event. CDs from last year’s conference are still selling through the Elijah List Web site for $45, or you can instantly download them to your computer for $35.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying ministries should never charge for their products or services. The laborer deserves wages (1 Tim. 5:18). But somehow the idea of withholding pertinent information from God that people need to know–unless they fork out money for that information–doesn’t sit right with me. It seems like the very thing Balaam was condemned for–that is, turning prophecy into a means of financial gain (Jude 1:11).

– By Holly Pivec

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16 Responses to “What Is God Saying for 2014?”

  1. Jean Says:

    Hi Holly

    You are right about the “money-for-prophecy” thing.
    God does have something to say about this:

    Mic 3:9  Hear this, you heads of the house of Jacob and rulers of the house of Israel, who detest justice and make crooked all that is straight, 
    Mic 3:10  who build Zion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquity. 
    Mic 3:11  Its heads give judgment for a bribe; its priests teach for a price; its prophets practice divination for money; yet they lean on the LORD and say, “Is not the LORD in the midst of us? No disaster shall come upon us.” 
    Mic 3:12  Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins, and the mountain of the house a wooded height. 

    I think that people want to be “conned”. I mean, paying for a “prophetic word” that has errors in it?

    Another thing, Today we serve God in Spirit and Truth and our bodies are the Temple for God’s Spirit to reside.
    Joh 2:16  And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade.” 

     By “selling” a (Spirit-revelation) prophetic Word, are the NAR boys  not doing the same as the Temple salesmen ?

  2. Mike Says:

    I just want to let everyone know that this NAR movement utilizes this Annual Prophetic Word Concept as a common practice.  While I was participating in this movement for 4-years, every year around this time the leaders of each network created a big hype in anticipation of this annual “prophetic word.”  The leaders are intructed to make sure the followers “have ears to hear”. Of course the leaders were obligated to participate so that they can set the example.  In addition, this concept runs concurrent with their concept of First Fruits coincidently. The first fruit NAR concept urges all followers to bring either a week’s salary or a month’s salary worth of their income from the 1st month of the year to guarantee provisions for the remainder of the year to come.  Subsequently, they displayed alledged testimonies confirming the ”favorable results” of obeident disciples who put up the money. Most if not all of the testimonies came from individuals who were on track to gaining recognition within the movement based on a built in milti level system of advancing in the movement. This is first hand experience.  Although this is shameful to admit that I took part in such a heretical movement, I beilive any bits of information that I can contribute may help someone else re-think their involvement in the NAR.

    God Bless All…..And may all those who have been called by our heavenly Father to have ears to hear, hear the truth, the way, and life from ther Spirit of God in biblical Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.  Don’t be fooled or distracted by any wind of doctrine and workout your salvation through the finished work of our Lord and Savior! It is all about Jesus!  Read your bibles and ask questions….God speaks through His word!

  3. Ann Says:

    Exactly right, Holly!!!!!

  4. missy Says:

    Thank you all for posting, we cannot have a bunch of witches and sorcerers trying to take over and run the country, or the world and these need to be exposed, they are stealing money and people, and dividing the body of christ, destroying whats left of the faith of the fathers. The Road back to Rome, MUST BE DESTROYED, by sharing Gods word, the true faith by true witnesses who are being conformed to the image of the real Christ Jesus, not that seducing one out there.

  5. Vickie Danielson Says:

    Thanks Holly for this good comment on the NAR. Can you tell me if this is part of the Latter Rain movement in the past? 
    Thanks.
    ved

  6. Rich Kelley Says:

    Just thought of something almost amusing as I was looking at the picture posted at the top of the post.  It looks like a bunch of fog in a valley, and that pretty much says every thing about these movements, they are in a fog and suck people into them and they wonder around lost, not being able to see but a few feet in front.  We can pray that God will bring out the “Son” and lift the fog so people can see where they are going.

  7. Holly Says:

    Yes, Vickie. Many of the key teachings of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement are rehashed teachings from the Latter Rain movement of the late 1940s and early 1950s. In fact, many leaders in the NAR movement openly link their own teachings with Latter Rain teachings, although some NAR leaders, such as Mike Bickle, try (unsuccessfully) to distance their teachings from those of the Latter Rain movement. But the key teachings–including the teaching that the offices of apostle and prophet have been restored to the church–are essentially the same.

  8. Lindsay Says:

    God’s message to the Church for 2014 is the same as it always has been: Matthew 28:19-20, Revelation 2:2, etc.  These self-proclaimed prophets and apostles ought to get back to the Scriptures before they go looking for “something new” to entertain the biblically illiterate.

  9. Hope Says:

    Never let a “new and improved” prophecy go to waste…

  10. Mary Says:

    If these self prescribe prophets and apostles did not come up with anything new for their followers, then they would not take in as much money for their coffers…..it is all about the money and power they have built up through their apostate teachings. And these people love it so. But please know this, when you question the teachings of these NAR preachers and teachers who are held in high esteem by your fellow church members, they will become angry and vindictive with you. All of that “love bombing” that took place when you entered their church, will turn to whispering, talebearing, and lying concerning your character, and here is a simple warning to any who reads this…..please get out of the church, run away as fast as you can, for they will work to destroy your marriage, family relationships, and friendships you hold dear to your heart. 

    I left this NAR system and have absolutely no regrets and Jesus Christ is still sustaining my faith. He is enough. Praise His Holy Name.

  11. Brenda Says:

    Mike & Mary,
    Thanks for sharing (& Holly, thx for hosting) this inside info on these NAR guys & their tactics. Rejoicing that you guys got out, and into True teachings from God’s Word. I’m praying relentlessly that our LORD and Savior keep us firmly in His Word & safe from all deception. God Bless, ~Brenda

  12. Jacque Says:

    look up..Andrew Strom ..he was in the NAR for 11 years.. He tells you the danger in the movement.  He has 5 videos.. Please check this out.  The Kundilini Spirit is being transferred to many unlearned Christians.  Results are bad..I know for a fact.  Also J.Lee Grady who worked for Strang…edito of Charisma Magazine..left and lives in Orlando,Fl.  He use to be in the NAR..left due to false teaching.  Gave up a good salary..but left..Charisma.  More and more God is waking up people..we must pray that The Lord exposes this false teaching.  I pray for pastors..evangelists, missionaries etc etc.  

  13. Jean Says:

    Hi Jacque
    Please be careful of Andrew Strom’s teachings.
    A Demonic Spirit cannot be transferred onto a born-again Christian. If you have the Spirit of God there is no place for any other spirit. Jesus taught: A house divided cannot stand. God does not  lie and He said that his Spirit will not depart from His children. “Joh 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, Joh 14:17  the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive;  . . .”
    We have been sealed with the Holy Spirit.“Eph 1:13  in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation, – in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph 1:14  which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

    There is no such thing as a Kundalini Spirit. It is an invention of man under the guidance of the biggest fibber in the universe. No Scripture indicates such a spirit. Teachings about the Kingdom of God MUST be from Scripture.
    This kundalini teaching is based on a new age belief from the east. We are warned in the Word about teachings from the east.
    Isa 2:6  For thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they are filled with customs from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they strike hands with the children of foreigners.

  14. Sherry Says:

    the very reason i am on this site is trying to find a readable or audio of 2014 prophetic conference, as i have purchased it but cannot get it to download and there is no refunds.

    i am afraid all this is not a non profit but for profit and have had the same thoyghts, IF it is so important why witthold from God’s children. I even looked on Sheets website, nothing, maybe he has an agreement with Elijah to keep what God says to him a secret unless it first passes thru the cash register.sad in texas.

  15. Gina Says:

    welcome to the super store of FALSE prophets…from their own site and words…be amazed…impartations from graves..prophetic annointing oil,,,at a big discount…etc etc…helping Jesus bring heaven to earth… .because He needs our help…..what a bunch of baloney…sick false teachings….

  16. Daniel Says:

    Ok the truth about Denny, Steve, Jesus Pursuit Church, and false prophets. I have lived in Albany Oregon almost all my life and I currently live here(Albany is home of Jesus Pursuit Church and Elijah list). The first thing I will say is that before telling you the truth about most of this I will say that the average people who attend Jesus Pursuit Church and the junior leadership are good folks who are genuinely trying to follow Christ and like the rest of us they haven’t obtained the perfection of Christ Himself(unless anyone here wants to claim that). Also because Denny Cline will invite anyone to speak that he thinks will further his purposes and make him money, every now and then they invite someone who will surprise you because they are genuine thus making the overall message more confusing. Although usually when anyone speaks a genuine Christ centered message or a rebuke against the false prophetic and strange spiritual teachings, the crowd just gets this glossy confused looking glare, indicating to me that they didn’t hear or understand a word of what was said concerning the matter(I also know this because of later conversations with the people themselves).
     A couple of weeks ago Jesus Pursuit invited James Maloney, I have heard some of his teachings and I know that he is mixed in with many of heretical teachers that I cant stand such as Bill Johnson. I went to see James because my Parents wanted to go and I haven’t really spent much time with them over the last few years. In the interest of honoring and loving my folks I went there to see James Maloney with them. My Father is a Vietnam vet who during his lifetime obtained many severe injuries and has Agent Orange damage to his body, and this is the reason they wanted to go because James Maloney says he has a gift of faith that causes many he prays for to be healed. Well, long story short James preached a very Christ centered message, he rebuked the Church for worshiping(or giving much attention to) Angels, for their overuse of crazy deliverance ministries such as sozo(a messed up teaching if you ask me), and for unbelief(something most of us are riddled with whether you think thats true or not). Then James began praying for folks and the fact that there were many notable healings is undeniable and no I don’t believe the devil did these great healings so that many would glory in the name of Jesus. And if you personally believe the devil will do great healing miracles so as to deceive, then I sure hope you believe that Jesus will keep His Word so that through His Children He will do mighty miracles so as to cause many to believe. As for my Dad(the Vietnam vet) he received a healing that I quite frankly would have never guessed would happen which was amazing to the point of mind blowing which caused me to bring my own family the next night. To make an even longer story shorter,…My Daughter had Reflex Neurovascular Dystrophy the Doctors had shown us a pain scale that revealed that my Daughters pain level during a full on attack was higher than child birth or amputation. By the time we got to James for him to pray I was dragging my Daughter because she was now in a full on attack(she hadn’t slept for many hours bringing this on), James prayed, Jesus honored it and it has now been two weeks and R.N.D. is totally gone. After the hell we had been through with this disease, this was an amazing healing. 
      Now after saying all of that I will say that the first night that I even entered that Church I was met in the sanctuary by one of the Church staff who was already openly mocking me for my stance against the (N.A.R.) movement , also the last night I was kinda ‘helped’ to the door by Denny Cline which is kinda my fault for praying with a couple of folks in his church in the lobby(you dont do that on a powermongers turf). You have to understand that just because they have someone grace their stage who preaches truth and heals sick people that this doesn’t mean that Denny Cline himself is in alignment with the guy, although Denny will want to make it seem that way because it’s money to him and recognition and it makes it appear as though such great things come from this Church/doctrine and not just apart of the gifting that God has given a particular individual.
      So what can I say about Denny Cline, Steve Schultz, and these prophetic Conferences? Well it’s like this, Denny and Steve are two guys who fell in love with the ‘prophetic’ a long time ago, they are like two kids out of the 1970′s who were comic book and sci-fi nerds who were tired of the religious Church and wanted to see something different. They both focused more on the ‘different’ more than they focused on the Word of God itself,…but then hey you guys who do this page(S.O.E.) are the same way just a different angle. The difference between you and them is that they are both very enterprising people and money is a HUGE part of their motivation these guys love money(I think they would sell ‘prophetic’ indulgences if they could and well, they kinda already do), they love notoriety, AND they love being recognized as being great in this movement. If this wasn’t true then Denny and Steve wouldn’t feature themselves as prominent speakers in the annual prophetic conference that they set up with ‘major prophets’ that they admire so much, I guess they believe themselves to be prophets too..not sure. And of course the annual conference itself is always chalked full of promises for believers, telling them that yes there might be some hard times coming but in the midst of the hard times God is going to make believers wealthy, visit them with signs and wonders, Angelic encounters and make them powerful instruments for change all over the whole earth, even though the powerful instruments for change that they already admire are often times in tremendous need themselves(focus might need to change). And some of the prophets featured are just flat full of it, after all the Elijah list(Steve Shultz website) features such ‘prophets’ as Kim Clement who claim that Obama is going to become a Christian and be an agent for major Christian reform throughout the whole Earth. And that the Pope is going to lead the Church into a oneness in Christ. To me Obama and the Pope are at least a type of the anti-christ and false prophet if not those very characters themselves and are definatly agents of destruction to the true Church, so for the Elijah list to feature messages like this shows a complete lack of any true discernment in my opinion. Also Todd Bentley claims to have gotten his major launchpad beginning from the advertising he received from the Elijah list. In my opinion Todd Bentley has been the central most character that defined the ‘product’ of what the N.A.R. hopes to see in their movement, and when all of their most prominent ‘apostles’ and ‘prophets’ declared all from the same stage that Todd Bentley was God’s man to reform the Church at that point they all laid their reputations on Todd making him the Champion of their ideals. I guess it’s pretty obvious now how that worked out. Many including myself had been warning the Church for years about Bently and the false movement he was involved with(John Crowder came from this) and I was as surprised as many were to observe that the N.A.R. didn’t learn anything from the experience but rather just covered it up in the catbox and kept doing big money conferences.
     So in the end what do I have to say about all of this,…..well let me be real clear and give you a little prophecy of my own. The N.A.R. is losing the major portion of it’s voice in the Church world due to lack of credibility, and the fact that most of their prophecy turns out to be either obvious drivel or outright deception, and a money making manipulation. However this movement has always been mixed with well meaning folks who genuinely are walking in the true gifts of the Spirit(and no I don’t care what you think about the gifts of the Spirit). There are many genuine people who end up speaking at their conferences who preach the Gospel in some of the roughest places in the World and do it at the expense of their own life giving every scrap of their means to preach and teach in the Countries God has called them to, I would mention their names but it would just create a feeding frenzy for those bent on finding apostasy under every rock. There is going to be a parting of ways between these two groups(the N.A.R. and the genuine) for all of the said reasons. So rather than waste a ton of time trying to stop swirly eyed followers with fists full of hard earned money from believing these guys, you would do much better focusing your efforts on teaching the true Gospel, if indeed the true Gospel resides in you. And remember the devil can only counterfeit a true work,…ask yourself if a true work abides among you.

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