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Matt Redman and Francis Chan: Slated to Appear at ‘OneThing’

Redman and Chan

Matt Redman (left) and Francis Chan

Recently, I expressed concern about the appearance of Christian rock band Third Day at the “Voice of the Apostles 2013” conference in Orlando, Florida

Now I have learned that two other influential evangelicals are slated to appear at another New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) event: musician Matt Redman and Bible teacher Francis Chan.

Both Chan and Redman have agreed to take part in an annual conference sponsored by the International House of Prayer (IHOP). “Onething 2013”  is expected to draw 25,000 young adults to the IHOP base in Kansas City, Missouri, this December.

Their participation in this event concerns me because IHOP promotes unbiblical NAR teachings and practices, including the restoration of the present-day offices of apostle and prophet and dominionism.

Yet while I was disappointed by Matt Redman and Third Day’s decisions to appear at an NAR event, I am more concerned about Francis Chan’s decision. Let me explain.

Matt Redman and the members of Third Day are musicians. They don’t claim to be Bible teachers (though they do teach indirectly through their lyrics). Many people expect that musicians will perform wherever their agents book them.

But Francis Chan, on the other hand, is a Bible teacher. He is the founder and former teaching pastor of Cornerstone Community Church in Simi Valley, California. He’s also the author of multiple books that have been influential among evangelicals, including Crazy Love–which is used in many church small group studies–and has even created a new seven-part video Bible study on doctrine aimed at youth.

So, because of Chan’s status as a respected Bible teacher and expert on doctrine, his appearance at an IHOP event will lend more credibility to NAR teachings than even that of Third Day or Matt Redman.

So, what is Chan doing at an NAR event?

I can’t say I know what he’s thinking. But I do know that a theme of his teaching is the confrontation of lukewarmness among Christians–a theme he shares in common with the teachings of IHOP founder Mike Bickle. Perhaps their shared emphasis on passionate spirituality is why Chan has agreed to grace the IHOP stage.

What I do know is that Chan’s appearance at IHOP has the potential to introduce  the NAR movement to many traditional evangelical youth who follow him. They won’t know they are being introduced to the NAR movement–by this specific name. But they may be intrigued by the “exciting” new teachings and speakers they are exposed to at this conference and want to learn more.

This makes me wonder if we could be witnessing the early stages of the NAR movement being accepted among more traditional evangelicals.

— By Holly Pivec

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31 Responses to “Matt Redman and Francis Chan: Slated to Appear at ‘OneThing’”

  1. Jane Says:

    Does anybody here get just plain weary from caring?  Seriously, I get so disgusted reading about all these false Christian leaders…I feel like tossing in the towel and letting all the ‘stupid’ just get led astray.  After all, it seems to be their heart’s desire.  Anyone who would let themselves be led into spiritual error doesn’t care about him or herself enough to check things out with the Bible (God), right?  Or are they all just a bunch of innocent victims of the devil?  i apologize for seeming to be so hard-hearted, maybe I just speak from weariness.

  2. Jim Says:

    It sure sounds like you are your God. Weary from caring? is that even possible? Shouldn’t caring someone simply involving giving than expecting? 

    Spiritual error? Who’s to say who’s in error unless they have full knowledge of everything. Who does but God himself? 

    It’s time to trust the Lord and let God be God than us being God.

  3. Jane Says:

    Wow, Jim, I forgive you for your less than caring comment.

    Do you not know that we can know absolutely ‘who’ is in error by comparing what men say with the truth of God in His Word?  And…that’s exactly what God teaches us to do (Acts 17:10-12).  Does a spiritual leader confirm or contradict the Word of God?  We can know that absolutely only by comparing what that leader says to what God says in His Word.  So to answer your question about “Who’s to say who’s in error”, I answer that I can know, and you’d better know…that only by comparing what men say with the Word of God can we know which spiritual leaders are ‘of God’ (telling the truth) and which spiritual leaders are ‘of the Devil’ (telling lies).

    Sadly, I think few people want to know their Bible well enough to be safe from error.  It’s easier to just ignore or throw out what God says and follow men blindly instead, as evidenced by all the Cult followings we know that exist that teach error on every level.  Like God Himself says… “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”  (Here, God is saying that the people have knowledge [the Word of God], but choose to reject it.)  NAR followers evidently don’t know or don’t care what God (the Word) has to say, or they would reject the false NAR teachings outright.

    So…to ‘let God be God’ means we must first know God (the Word) and then accept that truth and compare it to what men say.  Then only can we be safe from error as we ‘let God be true, but every man a liar’ (Rom 3:4).  

  4. Ang Says:

    More and more are being drawn in to the bright lights of deception.  

    Jane, well said.  And Jim, Holly answered your questions here
    http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2013/08/are-you-easy-prey-for-false-prophets/3895
     
     

  5. Michelle Says:

    Jane, I understand how you feel.  So many of the Christians I have associated with in the past, in churches, parachurch groups, and service associations have moved toward or fully into these false movements.  In one group I was a part of, two of the people started prefacing their reports of their new experiences with, “I know Michelle will say this is not in the Bible, but … .” It does make me wonder if they actually prefer error to truth.  The error it seems, is more fun and exciting.  I think that they believe that it makes them special because they are having experiences that “ordinary” Christians aren’t having. Maybe it’s because they don’t understand how truly unique and special each one of our Father’s children is to Him.  Paul got frustrated too with people who ran after error, “You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?” (Gal.3:1)  His frustrations with the wandering believers of Galatia was very evident in his letter to them.

  6. Jane Says:

    Michelle, you said it so well and so plainly.  One of my friends was heavily into the Charismatic Movement all her life, from the moment she got saved.  Then all of a sudden she stopped attending services at her church because the adored pastor left and she didn’t care much for his replacement.  After several conversations that I started about the NAR and all the false ‘prophets’ and ‘apostles’, from some of her comments I started feeling some hope for her, thinking she may just find a more solid church with its feet on the ground.  But no…she isn’t looking for another church, she just follows the teachings of another con-man online whose teachings excite her.  

    So yes….now I’m thinking that exciting falsehood is exactly what these people are looking for.  It’s what they want, what their hearts desire.  As a matter of fact, I pointed out that this man she follows directly contradicts God’s teaching in one certain passage.  I asked her why she chooses to believe a man instead of God?  She simply answered that she doesn’t believe that’s what she’s doing, that I’m just ‘interpreting’ the passage differently.  I reminded her that my interpretation is not just different, it’s the exact opposite of what her leader is teaching.  

    That doesn’t bother her in the least.  So…I have come to believe that this whole issue has nothing to do with logic.  It must have something to do with these exciting falsehoods meeting some emotional need.  And I can’t reason on that level.  My friend, with full knowledge of what God says, has made a choice to prefer falsehood to the truth.  Putting this in God’s hands is not easy for me.  But I guess that’s what I’ll have to do, just pray for her.  At least now I understand better that a certain number of these people become at some point, not so much deceived as they are actually willing victims.

  7. sherryn@thenarrowingpath.com Says:

    Hi Holly,

    This review of Crazy Love from Dr Gilley might interest you and your readers. I have always found Dr Gilley to be very balanced, fair and theologically sound.

    http://www.svchapel.org/resources/book-reviews/4-christian-living/663-crazy-love-by-francis-chan

    Perhaps, as is so often the case, Francis Chan already had a foot on the broad way? I had not read his book as I assumed from the title it would be emergent. Plus it irritated me…why is God’s love crazy? Is that in the Bible? Surely God’s love is perfect, and if anyone is crazy it is us. Just sayin’…

    As for Matt Redman, that is very sad to see but not surprising. He co-wrote a song and performs with Chris Tomlin who himself regularly performs at the Passion conferences and was (or is) a worship leader for Louie Giglio’s church. His music is hugely popular, and he has a No. 1 album on the Billboard charts and a Grammy Award winning record. Folks. if the world loves them, it is because they belong to the world. Look where it took Amy Grant and Michael W Smith…down the same road into the NAR movement. 

    Having said that, I get no satisfaction in seeing this play out. Thanks for the warning. 🙁

  8. Ethan Says:

    I couldn’t be more excited to see Francis Chan at Onething 2013! I believe that God is using the ministry of IHOP to influence a generation of passionate people crying out Come Lord Jesus, Come. Its very sad to see blogs and comments like these that bring so much division in the church.  What I find interesting is that it’s always the SUPER conservative Christians (like most people who follow blogs like these) that are in a witch hunt to prove every Charismatic ministry out there is not of God. 

    Personally, I dislike labels, but for sake of you reading this blog I’ll use them. ‘The Charismatic movement’ is allowing God to usher in HIS supernatural works.  We live in a day and age where ‘reason’ will not be enough.  Proving God by your writings and reason will not be enough.  People are hungry to see a supernatural God display his love to humanity.  God is raising up a generation that believes we are the modern church of ACTS that are willing to walk up to people and expect to see the lame walk, the blind see, the sick healed, and the death raised to life all in JESUS name!  Our BEST days as a church body are yet to come…

    Oh, I truly enjoy reading this blog…always enjoying reading and learning from your insight.

  9. Michelle Says:

    “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming ‘I am the anointed,’ and will deceive many. … Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, … At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. … At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the anointed, or there he is, do not believe it. For false anointed ones and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible.  Behold, I have told you ahead of time.” 
    (verses from Matthew 24, I recommend that you read it all.)

    Ethan, in his Matt. 24 discourse, Jesus begins with the near-future destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (in A.D. 70) and ends with His glorious return.  It seems odd that He would have neglected to mention the “BEST days as a church body.”

    Why do you believe this?

    Optimism is not a bad thing, but Jesus says His followers will be despised and persecuted.  He never mentions a latter day march to glory of a special generation accompanied by signs and wonders.

    Where in the Bible did this idea come from?

  10. Jim Says:

    The biggest lies the devil have to turn the body of Christ into one another is the deception of ‘doctrines’. Since when does doctrines become the central issue of Christian faith? Christian faith has always about preaching the gospel of Christ Jesus and by accepting Christ as our personal savior, we are saved and reborn. By our fruit, so that others may know we are Christ’s disciples.

    Big chunk of body of Christ are too busy caught up in ‘doctrines’ and theology but forsaking the more important thing, which is following him and abiding in him so we may bear fruit that lasts.

    Fruit of IHOP is without a question for those who ‘actually being’ there.

  11. Jim Says:

    Christ doesn’t evaluate us based on our understanding of ‘theology’, but the response of our heart. The deception that Paul talks about is the distortion of the essence of the gospel that lead people away from Christ, not towards it. 

    We’re are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, not the doctrines that arise from it.

  12. Ang Says:

    “Do not participate in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead even expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11)

  13. Michelle Says:

    Cults and false teachers frequently condemn “doctrine” and far too many people fall for this.  It is used as an insult, as in “They follow doctrine, but we love Jesus.” 
    That is nonsense.  What are these people thinking doctrine is? 
    “Doctrine” is simply “something that is taught, a principle or position, a set of ideas or beliefs that are taught or believed to be true.” Every group that has any beliefs has doctrine.   We are called to be disciples of Jesus Christ.  A “disciple” is “one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another.” Being a follower of Jesus is all about doctrine.  If your doctrine is false, your Jesus is false.
    The question is: where does the doctrine you follow comes from?  Does your doctrine come from God through the Bible, or from people?  If your heart leads you to follow doctrines (teachings) contrary to God, you are being led away from God.
    When the Holy Spirit is guiding His people, He will never teach anything contrary to what He has already taught through Scripture.  So the Bible is the way we can test what others claim is coming from God.  In fact, the only way to know if what we are being taught is from the Holy Spirit and not trick of men or demons is to compare it with what is in the Bible.  False signs and wonders can be touted as fruit.  Feelings can fool us because we have a fallen nature.  We can be deceived.
    Sound doctrine (true teaching) is very important to God.  He loves us.  He doesn’t want us to be fooled.  He gave us Scripture so we can know the difference between the true and the false.  (btw, false is usually mixed in with truth, otherwise it is obviously false)
    God warns us about those who oppose sound doctrine:  For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3)
    God tells us to be diligent and to exert ourselves to correctly understand His truth:  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
    God tells us to live in obedience to His truth:  Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. (1 Timothy 4:16)
    God tells us that what we teach should agree with sound doctrine: You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine. (Titus 2:1)
    God tells us to encourage others with His teaching:   He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine
    and to refute opposition: and refute those who oppose it. (Titus 1:9)
    God tells us to command those teaching false doctrine to stop:  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Timothy 1:3)
    Since “sound doctrine” is so important to the God we so passionately love, shouldn’t we desperately want to know the sound doctrine He teaches us through the Bible? 

  14. Beth Cavete Says:

    After more than a decade in IHOP’s teachings and being influenced by many other streams in the prophetic movement, I have begun to speak out in an effort to warn others about the spirit of error invading the church.  You could not have chosen a better name.  It is a spirit, and the error is like leaven, multiplying through the loaf.  Telling my story of exiting and describing what really happens to the people who carefully apply and obey “extra commands” not given in the New Testament but flow constantly out of the mouths of the false prophets of our day has been very costly, but I hope I am able to reach some.  

    I found your website in a moment of grief over finding out Francis Chan would be speaking at OneThing.  Last May, he spoke at my alma mater, a top Christian college in the USA.  The cross-pollination of the two institutions could not be more alarming, for those who are looking for the signs, as Jesus said.  The storm brewing over the American church and the world is ominous beyond words, mostly for the blind inability of those leaders we have trusted most to discern the heresy, error, and downright occultic activity in the guise of Christian spirituality.  Thank you for spending your time to carefully resound a warning.

  15. M. K. Says:

    Ethan, sadly I’m not one of your super conservatives that follow this blog. I’m an ex charismatic who found out the hard way where these teachings lead. When I began to wonder why my ex pastor was able to live with his conscience after some serious sins, I began to ask what about the theology gave him “permission” to do the things he did. That led me to question a lot of what was taught and to run as fast as I could to “conservatism” where true faith in God and His Word was being preserved.

    Only then as I compared the teaching of the Bible and contrasted it with the false teaching was I able to find healing.

    My ex church and ex pastor were into Peter Wagner’s teaching BEFORE he got famous. We adopted Mike Bickles IHOP stuff in the late 90’s. We did the Toronto Airport Vineyard thing within a year or so. We were definitely on the crest of the wave of anything new. I even worked directly with Cindy Jacobs during her visits to our city where our church and a ministry working out of our church was holding a warfare prayer conference. Many of our people attending the Rick Joyner Whistler BC conference, I think he termed it gathering of the eagles.

    Exciting, yes. But I’d trade all that excitement to avoid the heartbreak of watching a ministry I trusted go down the tubes, taking out experienced pastors, and unwary sheep at the same time. There are people to this day who turned away from God because of that “ministry” and excitement didn’t save them.

    I applaud this ministry and others like it. They are the only voices providing any counter information.

    If I’d known this stuff then, I think I’d have moved out of that church long before it caused us such heartbreak.

    As to the original post, regarding Pastor Chan. Well, I am another one who would avoid any book with crazy love in the title. And seeking passion without doctrine, without sound theology will always lead away from God eventually, even if the seeker of passion is passionate about Christ.

    God tests us sometimes. Our love of novelty, our boredom and lack of attention span has always been a human failing. It’s been magnified since the computer age and the TV generation.

    Thinking logically, using discernment, reading dry books on theology or doctrine are judged harshly, but they are often the only line in the sand that has historically protected the church.

    God gave us His Word. His Word must not be added to, or taken away from. Those who bend the Scripture to make it pleasing to the human need for novelty, risk preaching to itchy ears.

    Jesus warns us that in the last days a lot of apostasy will come. Even the very elect, His own people might be pulled away.

    When I first got out, I thought of this apostasy stuff as an infection. I still do. I’m actually an RN, and although I’m retired now, the rate of transmission, the infective nature of this stuff looks more like a plague than ever.

    Immersing ourselves in the Word of God, checking every other word against the Bible, does it line up or not? is our only hope. The Holy Spirit seals us as believers, and speaks to us thru His WORD.

    No matter what new and different teaching comes by, we are commanded to check it by the Word of God. Not our emotional “passionate” response, but by how it lines up with Scripture. If it does, then great. If it doesn’t then even if angels teach it, we aren’t to listen to it.

  16. Thomas Says:

    I am usally not one to comment on such posts as this for one reason, the people who write these post will not reason with you. That being said, the fact that you take two of the most sincere men of God and bash them isn’t for me to defend, but only to say what if you are wrong? I am a Fundementail bible believing baptist and these two men of God are not your problem. Matt Redman the most humble and sincere worship leaders in evangelical movement. For Francis Chan, if you have anything bad to day about this man of God my argument is why don’t you pick up your bible and read like he does. I’m not here to accuse people just sometimes in fed up with people that insist on being correct, we should be more focused on pleasing our savior and doing it for his glory. I apologies if you think I’m being to critical to the blog, but its true.

  17. Ang Says:

    “That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.” ~ P. C. Hodgell

    Relinquish the emotion which rests upon a mistaken belief, and seek to feel fully that emotion which fits the facts. Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. Beware lest you become attached to beliefs you may not want.

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/2977-newapostolic-reformation-overview
     

  18. Becca Says:

    Hi there, I don’t normally comment on these posts either – and I am in full agreement with the need for true, biblical, Spirit-given discernment, especially with a heart of love and care for the Church of Jesus Christ. This being said, I wish that this post was left unwritten until there was something to write or warn about. Why not assume that Francis Chan and Matt Redman are compelled by the Lord to go into this hyper-emotional environment (I have been there) and bring the firm, unyielding Truth of the Word? Why not assume first that they are going to bring Light? Why not wait to see what is taught, or said, before closing the book on these men and saying they are going the way of others. 

    My hope is that Francis will go and preach the gospel with words. My hope is that Matt Redman will go and preach the gospel with lyrics. My hope is that Jesus, in his fullness and truth, will be proclaimed and worshipped, and that those who are caught in a current of deception will SEE the truth and be rescued. 

    Why can’t THIS be what we hope for and pray for? I am 100 PERCENT devoted to discernment in love…but it’s also easy to fall into fear-mongering and speaking evil of people. Let’s wait and see what God does! He is DAILY rescuing people from the idols and deception of the NAR movement and will continue to – why not this year at OneThing 2013? 🙂 That’s my hope!

  19. Rich Kelley Says:

    This attitude of leave them alone they may be the only light there, is becoming very common today.  I have seen Christians sticking up for things the pope says in the media because he lived a humble life according to the media, and cares for the poor and hungry.  No one cares if he is the head of the largest “Christian cult” in the world.   I’ve not researched the number but somewhere I read that only three percent of the Jews left Babylon when given the chance, the rest were comfortable where they were and stayed.  When God goes to judge false leaders, and He will, those that are there in support will receive the same judgement.  The last days speak of a remnant, these false movements of God are not small, they are all consuming, joining together, by compromise.  Keep sounding the Sofar, those that can hear will.

  20. Hanna Says:

    Hello!

    I was blown away by meeting God in South Korea. I didn’t go to an NAR church, but the presbyterian church I went to was strongly influenced by some kind of apostolic movement, more in terms of praying than anything else.

    That being said, I came to America to find that people here in churches (unless they are at a Christian college of sorts or NAR) don’t really care about living for Christ. People barely read the bible, heck! Small group leaders don’t read their bible or pray everyday, or at least more than once a week.

    The only people I’ve met that aren’t lukewarm, seem to be NAR. Now I think a ton of that stuff is weird, but not contemptible. Haha, once Che Ahn told a very obese woman when prophesying over her that she shouldn’t eat wheat. I thought that that’s very wonderful if she believes it’s a mission from God for her to lose weight… whether he truly heard that from God or not, sensibly speaking, any loving mother would hope the same for her daughter. Not that she isn’t lovable as she is, but just because we are already accepted doesn’t mean we don’t have anything to work on.
    Perhaps if mainstream people got their act together and loved the sinful, we wouldn’t need to stick with NAR?

  21. Holly Says:

    Hanna,

    That hasn’t been my experience of Christians in America at all. My present church is full of people who take their faith very seriously, read the Bible and pray regularly, share the gospel, sacrificially support missionaries or go as missionaries themselves, adopt children from impoverished nations, serve at rescue missions, etc. And this has been my experience at many other non-NAR churches I have attended through the years.

    Holly

  22. JJ Says:

    For those that put their faith in Christ, by His grace we will all be in heaven together. By God’s grace we can humble ourselves and unite on this earth for his glory. Placing Christians in categories brings us comfort and security in our own beliefs here on earth, but one day we will stand as one.

  23. Grace Says:

    JJ: While it is true that if one truly trusts Christ for the forgiveness of his sins as laid out in the Bible, that one is saved.. but you speak as though we enter heaven as a group. True conversion is a ONE SOUL AT A TIME thing and we are holding hands with NO ONE.   

    One day He will divide the sheep from the goats. The goats will say things that show they were involved in church or “christian” activities.. have you not read it?

    And it is not comfort and/or security to be Biblically discerning and warn others- if anything it’s the complete opposite! It creates all kinds of difficulty (being shunned, excluded, punished financially, hated, etc.), that could otherwise be avoided by being agreeable and devoted to “unity” at the expense of Biblical truth. ..yet the Holy Spirit DOES bring comfort and security from above in our difficulties- but I don’t think that’s the kind you were talking about.

  24. Ryan Says:

    I am at the conference and him Francis speak. He blasted IHOP and compared them to the church of Sardis.

  25. Ryan Says:

    He is not a part of there church at all. I came to hear him and it was awesome.

  26. Dave Raboin Says:

    I listened online to Francis Chan’s message at One Thing, because I respect his point of view and biblical background. He challenged those at One Thing not to make “Revival” an object of worship. He challenged them to stay true to biblical teaching and stay very connected to the word of God; and that people, even those at One Thing, will desire to hear teaching that goes against sound doctrine. He chose not to emphasize directly the theological doctrines where he and Mike Bickel have differences of opinion, but to concentrate on those areas where they agree. The message he spoke was one of reproof and exhortation to stay in the word and in close personal relationship with Jesus. My feeling was that he was speaking to IHOP leadership as a rebuke and that those in the audience heard mostly encouragement to repentance and adherence to sound biblical doctrine.

  27. rebekah Says:

    I was at the One Thing Conference and although I do not regularly attend IHOP church, I am often at their prayer rooms and the church I attend was started by Mike Bickle. I also grew up in a very evangelical family and attended Moody Bible INstitute.  I love the Lord with all my heart and find that all this bickering between Christians is not productive or of the Lord.  There is so much to do in the world and we are all called as children of God to make disciples.  It seems to me that so many Christians simply want to argue over things that do not matter.  The Lord is doing amazing things all over the world through IHOP and I know so many passionate loving Christians from that church.  It is not a cult, etc. We do believe in prophecy, healing, speaking in tongues…all very biblical.  Francis Chan did not “rebuke us.”  If anything he said that he had rarely seem such passionate worship and love for the Lord.  He came probably because the Lord directed him to do so.  He is a man of prayer and I’m sure that he would not have stepped out without the Lord’s directing him to do so.  Come on guys, we are all bothers and sisters in Christ- our Gospel is the same as yours.  That is what matters.  Times will become so difficult and we all need to draw together in love and not allow the enemy to keep us apart.  You should watch the whole conference and then draw your conclusions.  Mike Bickle is a man who truly loves the Lord- he’s humble and simple and spends most of his time working for the Kingdom.  There is error and weak Christians in any group of Christians- with the charismatic movement, sometimes we place too much emphasis on signs and wonders, etc. and with evangelicals sometimes the supernatural is thrown out completely. You have lukewarm Christians in both groups as well.  I know wonderful Christians in both groups- people who love the Lord with all that they are and live fully for HIm.  So let’s stop all the negative talk and rise up- get to know each other, pray before speaking and ask the Lord what He for discernment.  We have great work to do-  I thank Francis Chan for listening to the Lord and following HIS voice.  Blessings and love

  28. Bethany Says:

    I have to agree with a few posters above. Think Matt Chandler at the Code Orange Revival. He brought the unfettered truth of God without shame to thousands who otherwise would have never heard it. I’m sure he raised a few eyebrows by agreeing to speak at the Elevation Church’s event, but I believe he did so out of obedience. He preached the true gospel of Jesus that triumphs over man-made doctrines of prosperity and wealth. Trust these men love the Lord. Trust the Holy Spirit is powerful enough to bring God’s truth through them.

  29. Leslie Says:

    Hi Holly:

    Just want to write a big thank you for your site. Great work on this. Continue in Him!

  30. Holly Says:

    Thanks for your encouraging words, Leslie!

  31. John Cruz Says:

    Hi Holly,

    My heart cringed when I saw the pic of Francis and Matt… Both of these men, God used in my growth  relationship to Him. I watched the IHOP conference where Francis was speaking at after attending the Worldview Apologetics conference in Kirkland, WA last year. I payed close attention, and I believe it’s safe to say that Francis isn’t a supporter of the NAR movement. I’m not the expert discerner here, however.

    (Ravi Zacharias spoke at the mormon tabernacle, but that doesn’t make him a supporter of their beliefs, right?)

    Are there any other findings that would say otherwise? My wife and I listen to Francis regularly and we wanted to know if we were missing something. Thank you in advance!

    for all others, “Crazy Love,” is an amazing book and is not meant to replace your bible in any way, shape, or form.

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