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The Call

November 2nd, 2008 | 14 Comments | Posted in Evangelical Supporters, Twisted Scriptures
Dr. James Dobson speaking at The Call, San Diego.

Dr. James Dobson speaking at The Call, San Diego.

Thousands of Christians gathered at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego, Nov. 1, to fast and pray in support of Proposition 8 — which would ban same-sex marriage.

The Call” received support from prominent evangelical leaders like Dr. James Dobson (who spoke at the event) and from many Southern California churches — even though its list of organizers reads like a “Who’s Who” of the apostolic-prophetic movement. Well-known “apostles” and “prophets” behind the event include founder Lou Engle, C. Peter Wagner, Che Ahn, Rick Joyner, Bill Hamon, Cindy Jacobs, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets and more. See the national board and advisory board.

What’s the problem with this? The apostolic-prophetic movement promotes modern-day “apostles” and “prophets” who claim to wield unlimited authority and give new doctrinal revelation in addition to Scripture. It’s teachings have historically been considered outside orthodox Christianity.

Why would mainstream evangelicals like Dr. Dobson, Michael W. Smith (Christian musician) and Steve Douglas (president of Campus Crusade) partner with this fringe movement? (See other prominent evangelicals here.) My guess — and hope — is that they aren’t aware of the organizers’ teachings. But in their zest to support marriage and family values, their participation gives the movement greater visibility and credibility in mainstream evangelicalism.

As a result, many Christians who never heard of Lou Engle or Cindy Jacobs or Dutch Sheets before are going to want to learn more about them, buy their books and attend their churches. Then they’re going to start being exposed to dangerous apostolic-prophetic teachings.

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14 Responses to “The Call”

  1. Heather Fuller Says:

    Thank you so much for getting this information out! I thank the Lord for somehow finding your blog b/c so far I’ve no one who has nailed down what my husband is into. He like me has been a protestant for many years and on his website gracehead.com someone linked him trumpetcallofgodonline.com who claims to be a modern day prophet. In trying to prove this stuff wrong, my husband became brainwashed by this demonic stuff. My husband had been dabbling in the weird before this trumpet stuff so he did have the door for evil slightly a jar enough for the legions of demons to come and take over Trent’s mind.

    Anyway, I can’t wait to read more of your blog to help me understand more of this “movement” that I’m pretty sure that my husband is into.

  2. JW Says:

    Well Done! I really appreciate the truth that you represent here in your response to ‘The Call!’
    The multitudes that continue to flock to these gatherings sadden me very much as ‘Truth’ is set aside for a false message inside a false church.

    I am refreshed by the blessed reminders of truth amidst so much error!

  3. Servant2112 Says:

    Holly,

    Have you ever heard of Rev Samuel (Sammy) Rodriguez? He’s the grand-high poohbah, what’s-in-charge of evangelical pentacostal hispanics, or something like that. He is on the Elijah list and I strongly suspect that he’s a dominionist. He was a guest-speaker at my ex-church, and his theology is fishy. I care because my sister, brother-in-law, and niece seem to think the sun rises and sets on this guy. I want to show my family that he’s involved in bad theology, but I need more evidence than just my gut feeling.

    I believe he’s involved with this whole group of apostolic kindom now dominionist men and women. He’s hard to pin down, though. Please let me know if you find anything.

    Thank you, and God bless!

  4. lluviadegracia Says:

    hi holly…read fp.com from time to time…will you be updationg your blog?….we have an apologetics blog in spanish…appreciate your advice…

    Peter

    liberandoaloscautivos.org

  5. JA Says:

    you are going to reap all of the judgements on yourself that you are piling on these men and women. Be very careful what you condemn. 

  6. D W Says:

    Hi Holly,

    I know that they don’t believe in what you say they do. I think you need to listen to what they say. Lou Engle is a man of prayer and he spends several hours in the prayer room at the International House of Prayer in Kansas Ciyt. I know because I see him there. He is also a man of fasting. He speaks sometimes speaks on Sundays and his main issues are for the defense of the unborn, for the Holy Spirit to break out in revival like it did at Azuza (and in the book of Acts) and for us to embrace the type of Christianity that the Apostles did – fasting, prayer, a radical lifestyle devoted to Jesus and to move in signs and wonders empowered for the Holy Spirit.

    I am note sure what you have against Lou. His theology seems pretty sound to me. He is contending for Christianity the way it was expressed in the book of Acts not the way we see it expressed in modern-day westernized Christianity – coffee culture, no prayer, no fasting and no signs and wonders. Real Christianity is what we found in the book of Acts!

    I think you have this view because you may not believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Read the book of Acts again closely and see. Plus it is good that someone is standing up for the unborn and against immorality, hardly anyone is doing that right now. We should bless this movement  because again Lou stands against immorality, aborptions and for revival like we saw in the book of Acts – I dont think anything is wrong with that.

  7. Mary Ann Says:

    Hello D W,
    A Christian isn’t necessarily defined by prayer, fasting, anti-abortion stand, and/or exhibiting signs and wonders. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Hindu’s and others likely pray, fast, and take a stand against abortion as well. And let’s not forget the magicians in Egypt who exhibited great signs and wonders with their secret arts.
    No. When these things accompany a twisting of the foundation of our faith, God’s Word, a red flag should alert us that something is wrong. That should cause us to compare the teachings which come from that person or ministry with the Bible to arrive at an accurate evaluation of the same. Holly has done an excellent evaluation by unmasking false interpretations of scripture.

  8. Heather Fuller Says:

    JA Says:
    January 1st, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    “you are going to reap all of the judgements on yourself that you are piling on these men and women. Be very careful what you condemn.”

    JA, It seems to me that that God’s already put His judgment on His son @ the cross and Jesus said “it’s finished”.  I believe that we are now under grace and the Holy Spirit now leads us to righteousness and not to fulfill the desires of our flesh. I also think that the New Covenant is not focused on the law but focused on abiding in the Holy Spirit of our Lord God.  I don’t see that what you say about us being judged really lines up with this scripture found in the New Testament under the New Covenant.  “Therefore, now there is NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.” Romans 8:1  

     

  9. Diane Says:

    I think it’s necessary that we ALL be careful of “finding a demon behind every tree” particularly when we’re critiquing fellow Christians. I heard a wise old pastor once say, “Chew on the hay and spit out the sticks” regarding some teaching that was being criticized.  Dutch Sheets isn’t 100% wrong in what he teaches, nor is he an evil man.  Lou Engle has a beautiful heart and loves the Lord.  If you are reading your bible and are filled (and being continually filled) by the Spirit of God, error is going to become obvious – spit out the sticks!  If it’s nothing but sticks, you’ve got a false prophet or teacher – don’t listen to ’em.  Ultimately, we are all responsible for our own spiritual growth. 

  10. Tim Smith Says:

    Unfortunately, I am not surprised of the following among these known leaders such Dobson, smith etc.

    I don’t think it really matters what the notion is regarding supporting false teachers, prophets (so called). There is no excuse or understanding given to the deceived.

    Deception was warned over and over again from Jesus himself, Paul, Peter and John, and it is clear in the word that many, many false teachers will come and deceive even the elect if possible.

    That is clear black and white. My sheep know my voice, and when I “CALL” they will follow. These leaders Dobson and the such are held to a much higher standard being counted as shepherds.  They are blind sheep and blind leaders not knowing the voice of God, and have been judged by the word of God in that they do NOT know the voice of the Lord and will fall according to scripture.

    Fior the Love of the TRUTH will wax cold, and they will give heed to SEDUCING spirits. This is a foretelling judgment even before it happens, showing God’s foreknowledge of the types that will fall under this DELUSION.

    It is God who has sent these false teachers as a judgment to those who call themselves leaders and Christians but do not have a Love for the written word, so they fall by the so called exrtarbiblical word of these false voices that lead to Hell.

    Let the Plain written word reveal who these men are including Dobson , smith and the others who are blind guides leading others through their popularity to another jesus and gospel and spirit leading straight to hell, for the love of the truth was not found in them, when they should be warning the sheep of these frauds, but instead endorse the thieves of the cross and feed these WOLVES and starve the SHEEP!!

    Let the simple milk of the word judge accordingly and righteous judgement and warning it is:

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  11. Tim Smith Says:

    JA and be even more careful what you support!! For there is more teaching on this than the other my friend.

    Read the word, and quit defending these evil wolves!! II JOhn states those who support those who teach false doctrine and even as little as give them Godspeed are a partaker of their EVIL deeds.

    If a partaker, then judgment must fall with those who support the joyners, for your support is promoting God’s enemies not yours. For it is God’s battle, and howbeit you are on the other side unknowingly and deceived.

  12. Wayne Newbury Says:

    While I appreciate your warning about the connections in the “Call” gathering. I feel your concern for those who have not been exposed to other teaching in the body of Christ, a little off putting . Not that if you feel there is error it should not be exposed but that your focus toward one fringe group in the body seems to make you put all your energies on protecting  from what you see as error rather than teaching The truth. I think the weakness we have in the Church is we don’t know what we believe and this has become an epidemic. When 80% of christian high school students leave for college and lose their commitment to Christ. This is a clarion call to build up the body of Christ so that when error comes we know it and call it out for what it is. learning the truth through good teaching is so much better than to focus once life on all the errors that are out there. Mention it, bring it up but be the catalyst that strengthens the Church not the one who always looks for what is bad with it. You will find it and it will always be their. To teach the truth in love that the young and old can agree on because it is from the scripture, the doctrines that bring life. Then the errors will be so clear that you don’t have to focus, day after day on the bad, that we should already be aware of. If we are not, it is because good teachers are hard to find.
    Thanks for your time.

  13. Tom Howard Says:

    “For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shalt love your neighbor as yourself.
     But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.
     This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” Galatians

    5:14,15,16.

    Great word Diane, as we should just spit out sticks and not bite and devour. It is by the Spirit of God that we even know Christ, so let us be faithful to walk (keep in step) in the Spirit. “For you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be the Spirit of God dwell in you” Romans 8:9.
    Paul ends up saying this, “If we live in the Spirit (Romans 8:9) let us ‘also’ walk (Keep in step) in the Spirit.” Its one thing to have it, yet another to walk it!
    We should be discerning, as were the “bereans”, Acts 17:11. If you do the same you will find many of these men do honor God and much of your suspicions will be calmed.
    Note; 

    “But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it; lest haply you be found even to fight against God.” Acts 5:39. This would not be wise.”  .

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