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A Tale of Two Apostles

A long time ago, in a Roman land far away, there was an apostle named Paul from the city of Tarsus. Paul was sent to proclaim Jesus’ gospel to the Gentiles. And Paul was very protective of that gospel.

He got angry when anyone changed the content of the gospel. He even wrote a letter to the churches in Galatia, warning them: “If any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!”

Another time, Paul scolded the church in Corinth for putting up with so-called apostles who were teaching a different gospel:

For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. … For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

What was the gospel Paul preached? He stated it in clear terms to the church in Corinth, so there’d be no confusion:

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you … by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word I preached to you … that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day.

Paul’s gospel was that Jesus came to save sinners.

The ‘Apostle’ C. Peter Wagner

C. Peter Wagner

C. Peter Wagner

Not so long ago, in a place not so far away — the city of Colorado Springs, Colo. — there is another “apostle” named C. Peter Wagner.

Wagner claims he, too, is sent by Jesus. Yet, Wagner’s gospel sounds very different than the one preached by the Apostle Paul. One day last January, Wagner shared his gospel with Christians at a conference in Denton, Texas:

“Jesus came to save that which was lost — literally the dominion that Adam gave up in the Garden of Eden is now being restored.”

And what was the dominion Wagner preached? He stated it in clear terms to the conference attendees, so there’d be no confusion:

Dominion has to do with control, dominion has to do with rulership, dominion has to do with authority and subduing — and it relates to society. … In other words, it’s talking about transforming society. Watch him here.

Wagner’s gospel is that Jesus came to give Christians dominion.

So, whose version of the gospel is right?

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9 Responses to “A Tale of Two Apostles”

  1. tony in vermont Says:

    i thought the praise and worship on their video was something good. i like the music of the spheres.

  2. R Says:

    Its interesting, on a lot of these false apostles websites, there is no indication of the gospel message for the lost, but plenty of phony revelations with dvds to match. What a dangerous movement this is.

  3. michael Says:

    I can see quite a difference in the two “apostles” when I listen to the one and read the heart of the other seeing they did not have videos when Tertius wrote these words:::>

    Rom 15:14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.
    Rom 15:15 But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God
    Rom 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
    Rom 15:17 In Christ Jesus, then, I have reason to be proud of my work for God.
    Rom 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience–by word and deed,
    Rom 15:19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God–so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;
    Rom 15:20 and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else’s foundation,
    Rom 15:21 but as it is written, “Those who have never been told of him will see, and those who have never heard will understand.”

    I would note another portion in Acts:::>

    Act 20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
    Act 20:33 I coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel.
    Act 20:34 You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me.
    Act 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”

  4. Rose Says:

    What a bunch of nonsense! The lady shouting and then the guy screaming at the end of the video really creeped me out. And what is that lady in the red dress doing? Very odd ‘worship’…more like a New Age festival than worship of the true and living God.

  5. YesNaSpanishTown Says:

    In February, some young adults from our church had begun reading and advocating for some popular authors and speakers. One of them asked to use their materials in a Bible study. So I began researching what turned out to be quite a “can of worms” known as the emerging church movement. The more I read, the more new things turned up including criticisms of Dominion theology. Eventually, I also linked to Constance Cumbey and NA info. That is how I found your site. (BTW-I nixed the EM and have found many NA links with it.)
    I was raised Baptist and continued as a pastor’s wife and missionary until I was 35. After returning from the mission field, my family and I began attending a charismatic/Pentecostal church. We were refreshed and challenged in our walk with the Lord. We began worshiping and serving with people who were truly passionate about their faith, bold in their witness, and living a love for Jesus that I had never seen before. Knowing some of the criticisms of their faith, we were careful to question regarding biblical fundamentals. We felt we were in a good place spiritually and we began a new growth in our faith.
    Eventually we were exposed to the Toronto blessing, Pensecola, gold dust, and other “flows” of the spirit. Most of these are nothing more than an undercurrent of a few people within our particular church. However, in the past 10 years, there has been a growing acceptance of Dominion theology principles. Now that I have begun my research in the emerging church, I have discovered some cross-referencing among these movements. I need to ask some questions that are from a sincere heart that needs to understand root issues. I have found several sites on the web that are critical and caustic. When I read the material on your site, I do not sense the biting sarcasm present in other sites.
    These past 15 years have led me to relationships with some of the dearest Christians I have ever met. I still envy their vibrant, transparent, and powerful walk with the Lord. I’ve watched them live a faith that is powerfully active and filled with the fruit of the Spirit. Yet, I too, cannot buy into the Dominion mandate. My husband and I are not in agreement. So, I would like to dialogue and ask questions with someone who is knowledgeable and will respond in grace. Would you be willing to answer my questions?
    This post turned out to be much longer than I expected. Thank you for reading.

  6. Heather Fuller Says:

    This guy named claims he is a prophet with words of direct dictation from God & from Jesus. My husband is a part of this “movement”. Your blog has been an answer to prayer so thanks for speaking the truth! This false prophets name is Speed aka Timothy and his website is http://www.trumpetcallofgodonline.com. He has written over 300 volumes of letters directly from God and Jesus. My husband has become brainwashed and is in this deeply. I am so fed up with it!

  7. Lafe Says:

    People of the Book: I went to that apostate site called: http://www.trumpetcallofgodonline.com and the content is New Age in the sense that this so called prophet/apostle is simply channeling a familiar spirit and passing it off as God or Jesus speaking to him.
    If you are familiar with the Word of God, you will know that no such conversations are to take place. The Word of God is a closed canon. Nothing is to be added to it and nothing to be taken from it. This apostate site is adding to the Word of God by stating that God is speaking to this
    apostate on a regular basis and/or with letters.

  8. Lafe Says:

    People of God: Dominionism is a false movement/belief that we must take over the society and subdue it before we give Christ permission to return. Yes, we, give Christ, who is sovereign permission to return to reign and rule.
    That is how ridiculous this movement is and the people who populate it. The Apostle Paul would call such persons deluded and accursed since they are usurping the power of God and they have the audacity to tell you that you must submit to their authority!
    What bodacious nonsense and tomfoolery. Flee this madness and forsake such an aberrant teaching that is not found in the Word of God.
    Peter Wagner is a false teacher and a false prophet. Simply examine his statements against the sure fire template of Truth…the Word of God.

  9. chiliboots Says:

    “He got angry when anyone changed the content of the gospel.”

    No, he got angry when anyone challenged the content of HIS “gospel”.

    Saul, here, was in competition with James, and Peter. Both REAL Apostles,
    referred to Mr. Tarsus as “The Charlatan”.

    Jesus told Peter that He had come in His Father’s name, and was not accepted.

    He continued that someone would later come in his OWN name, and HIM “they”
    would accept.

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