It doesn’t matter if I am on to something.

Holly has ignored every single post I have made on this issue.

It seems that the “sacred cow” of her dad’s ministry is something that cannot be questioned, even though we are urged to question each others’ beliefs and doctrines in order to remain pure.

Acts 17:11

Rob

http://spm1313.blogspot.com/search/label/Stan%20Johnson

April 16th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Hello Everyone especially all my Brothers and Sisters in The Lord Jesus Christ: I will be brief. I have given allot of thought and prayer to what we all comment on good, bad or in between. I have decided that after prayer I am and so are most of us reacting to so many things on this blog. We are all in our minds and hearts to one degree or another right.

The point I am trying to make, would it not be wiser for all of us to stop trying to get points across about people and instead concentrate how we could encourage one another in The Word. I know that there are many false teachers and false works, yet do you not think it would be wiser to follow Jesus example and pray for people who we feel are in error of scripture Matthew 5:43-48. If they are wrong, The Lord will, as always, deal with them and thier works, He will deny them Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 12:19-20. If we go even further we see His example on the Cross
Luke 23:34.

I can speak from personal experience here as I am as wrong as anyone else, and as Jesus also reminds us in Matthew 5:14-16 we are His light, the light of the world, and we are to shine for Him so as to glorify The Father in heaven.

I pray that we can turn Holly’s wonderful blog into an encouraging spirit filled site for one another. It would be so wonderful if others would read this blog and write comments like Trust in the Lord, I recieved Christ today, I was water baptised today, etc.

Thank you all and God Bless

Your Brother in The Lord

Dave

davidandsherri@pei.symapatico.ca

kimberly Says:

April 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
david… you stated….

“The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

i asked you for proof… and then you said….

I do not have to prove anything,

it is a sad day when we can accuse brothers and sisters without proof.

My previous response:David Says:

April 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Dear Brothers and Sisters in the Lord: I have stated something about John Bevere that I have come under attack over.

(April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong) I was answering in regards to a question from Lee and I meant to say:

That if The submission John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong

as well yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what,

I meant if John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what.

I forgot to put in the word if in both statements. I have read different commentaries about John Bevere’s works and this was the latest. I apologize if I offended anyone here.

I also was not stating John Bevere is asking us to accept abuse, molestation, rape, etc. the part of that response in my response was not referring to John Bevere. I should have answered my response in a different paragraph, and I apologize if anyone misunderstood what I wrote, I especially apologize to John Bevere.

In Christ

Dave

David Says:

April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Dear Lee: The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc. He is totally wrong. Bieng Christians we will get persecuted for our beliefs, and the finished work of The Cross proves that, yet John Bevere believes in total submission no matter what. When a person is raped, molested, beaton etc this is of the enemy and needs to be rebuked and dealt with. We are Christians and we are not punching bags and blow up dolls to beat and abuse from someone in authority. Look at the abuse in the catholic church, molestation etc, and these people, mainly priests get away with this garbage because people are afraid of them, as they abuse thier authority in The Lord’s name. If those same priests who abuse where abusing in public or where bieng abused by others they would want it stopped.

The Lord expects people in authority to do it within the confines of scripture, where does John Bevere find in scripture for us to submit to wicketness and evil as a Godly principal. Jesus commands us how we are to treat others Matthew 22:37-39. Where does someone find Jesus saying this means to submit to evil, rape, molestation, etc. He never said it!!
If anyone who has any authority abuses these principals from The Lord, he or she or they are acting in a sinful and evil way. Titus 2:11-15 verse 15 tells us to rebuke with all authority, and this includes anyone in authority pastor, deacons, parents, spouses, siblings, police officer’s, government officials etc. Government officials ofetn abuse thier authority, yet if they try and inforce evil on us they can be fired and voted out.
They are not God, and such they have no authority if they are acting in an evil way.

The best thing to always do is pray and ask The Holy Spirit to help you discern things from scripture. These people in authority we need to put on the foot of the person in authority and ask them can we rape you, or molest you, or abuse you, they would be foolish and unwise to say yes. They would not allow this kind of conduct especially if you asked them if they would abuse thier authority in the public eye where others can see and hold them accountable for thier actions.

In Psalms 1 and Proverbs 1 the Lord tells us to stay away from evil and wicket people. People who abuse and then use a statement we must submit to authority because they are God’s people over someone or a group are taking God’s Word totally out of contexted.

Lee I hope this helps, please e-mail me if you would like:

davidandsherri@pei.sympatico.ca

In Christ Dave

“The submission that John Bevere is talking about is no matter what, we are to take it, abuse etc.”

i asked you for proof… and then you said….

I do not have to prove anything,

it is a sad day when we can accuse brothers and sisters without proof.

prophecyclub.intellicontact.com/fastrack

See that link, Holly?

That link is to the newsletters that are published by the Prophecy Club, the very group your dad is using to get the message out.

Here;s another link:
prophecyclub.intellicontact.com

That’s to ALL their newsletters.

The first link up top should seriously concern you, if you read the posts by stan.

Stan is the same man who predicted Jesus would return Sept. 12, 1997.

Holly, if your blog is about the ‘Spirit of Error’ and you dedicate yourself to exposing the “little leaven” that leavens the whole lump, then why hasn’t one word been spoken against the Prophecy Club?

Why?

I am deeply concerned for your father, and I pray for him, but he must be warned. You are in a prime position to tell him that the people he is associating with to get his message out are not following the true Gospel once delivered to the saints.

This is my 3rd post about this group in this very thread.

Doesn’t your father realize who he is aligning with?

Rob

Are you going to finish moderating my last post and let it stand for what it is, the truth, or are you going to supress it?

Rob