Comments on: Should Christians Experience the Supernatural? http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87 A biblical response to the modern prophets & apostles movement Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:20:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Servant2112 http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-2#comment-827 Servant2112 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:32:13 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-827 I like what Ms Growing says -- good post! Not only will God reveal to us what we need to know -- He already has through His Word. It's true that God will communicate to us individually in whatever way He chooses, however, He will never communicate anything that would contradict the completed canon of His Word or induce us to lose control of ourselves or behave in a way that would not bring glory to Him. Experiences are largely unreliable. The bible says"the heart is desperately wicked -- who can know it?" and as scripture shows, the kinds of supernatural phenonmenon that Patricia King and Todd Bentley tout are simply not normative. Therefore, we must test all things in light of scripture. I believe that is the point Holly is trying to make. Regarding Ms Growing's statement that we ought to allow God to do the correcting: Of course, it is only God's perogative to judge a person's heart. But it is our responsibility to rightly divide the Word of God, to ensure that we are not ensnared by extra-biblical teachings that can lead us into dangerous supernatural or gnostic realms. Thanks, again, for a great post! God bless you! I like what Ms Growing says — good post! Not only will God reveal to us what we need to know — He already has through His Word. It’s true that God will communicate to us individually in whatever way He chooses, however, He will never communicate anything that would contradict the completed canon of His Word or induce us to lose control of ourselves or behave in a way that would not bring glory to Him.

Experiences are largely unreliable. The bible says”the heart is desperately wicked — who can know it?” and as scripture shows, the kinds of supernatural phenonmenon that Patricia King and Todd Bentley tout are simply not normative. Therefore, we must test all things in light of scripture. I believe that is the point Holly is trying to make.

Regarding Ms Growing’s statement that we ought to allow God to do the correcting: Of course, it is only God’s perogative to judge a person’s heart. But it is our responsibility to rightly divide the Word of God, to ensure that we are not ensnared by extra-biblical teachings that can lead us into dangerous supernatural or gnostic realms.

Thanks, again, for a great post! God bless you!

]]> By: Servant2112 http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-2#comment-830 Servant2112 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:49:12 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-830 Holly, I staunchly support your ministry and encourage you to continue. It’s sad that so many are so blind that they are incapable or unwilling to see or hear the truth. I haven’t seen in any of your blogs where you have attacked anyone personally or besmirched their character out of spite. What you do is expose false teachings, and are always able to solidly back up your claims with scripture. Many of the people who post in disagreement usually base their arguments/rebuttals on emotionalism or personal experience, and they almost always parrot the teachings or poor hermeneutics of their pet sacred cow. I have yet to read a biblically sound defense by any poster for any of the people you expose. I laughed when one of your posters claimed that Bentley had “Way over 1 million decisions for Christ. DOCUMENTED healings of cancer gone, blind eyes opened, deaf ears hearing, limbs restored, etc.” I haven’t seen one shred of evidence to support this, nor has anyone anywhere been able to produce it. “Decisions for Christ” and true conversion are two different things. Anyone can get caught up in emotionalism at altar call, but it takes the Holy Spirit to truly convert, and true conversion is life-long. From what I can discern, Bentley’s meetings were chock full of spirit, but it certainly wasn’t the Holy Spirit. Can God save souls at these abominable meetings? God can save anywhere. But if people were saved there, it was in spite of Bentley’s carnival of crazy rather than because of it. I was born-again at a church that was biblically unsound. Although I love the people at my old church, like these people, they are deceived. The only reason I was able to escape from that church unscathed is because of God’s grace. He gave me His precious Word; He gave me wisdom, He gave me discernment, and He gave me a teachable heart. He also gave me internet service and book stores which allowed me to investigate my pastor’s errant teachings. It’s more difficult to convince a deceived Christian of the truth of God’s Word than it is to convince an atheist. Your work is certainly cut out for you! Thank you, Holly, for your ministry. I’m sure you get discouraged, but keep contending for the truth. This is what each of us is called to do. With all my heart, I encourage you to keep your eyes heaven-ward and your heart pure and obedient before our Lord. Remember that these same people who “pooh-pooh” your efforts are the ones that most need your help. There are no coincidences. They came to your site for a reason, and I’d like to think that it’s because God is trying to reveal the truth to them. So what if they leave angry or outraged; so what if they think you’re judgmental or jealous or wrong. You planted a seed of truth, whether they like it or not. God is faithful and He always leads to truth. Now it’s up to them to either respond to God’s truth, or turn away from it in favor of their favorite preacher. God bless you, sister. All my love, Lu Holly,

I staunchly support your ministry and encourage you to continue. It’s sad that so many are so blind that they are incapable or unwilling to see or hear the truth. I haven’t seen in any of your blogs where you have attacked anyone personally or besmirched their character out of spite. What you do is expose false teachings, and are always able to solidly back up your claims with scripture. Many of the people who post in disagreement usually base their arguments/rebuttals on emotionalism or personal experience, and they almost always parrot the teachings or poor hermeneutics of their pet sacred cow. I have yet to read a biblically sound defense by any poster for any of the people you expose.

I laughed when one of your posters claimed that Bentley had “Way over 1 million decisions for Christ. DOCUMENTED healings of cancer gone, blind eyes opened, deaf ears hearing, limbs restored, etc.” I haven’t seen one shred of evidence to support this, nor has anyone anywhere been able to produce it. “Decisions for Christ” and true conversion are two different things. Anyone can get caught up in emotionalism at altar call, but it takes the Holy Spirit to truly convert, and true conversion is life-long. From what I can discern, Bentley’s meetings were chock full of spirit, but it certainly wasn’t the Holy Spirit. Can God save souls at these abominable meetings? God can save anywhere. But if people were saved there, it was in spite of Bentley’s carnival of crazy rather than because of it.

I was born-again at a church that was biblically unsound. Although I love the people at my old church, like these people, they are deceived. The only reason I was able to escape from that church unscathed is because of God’s grace. He gave me His precious Word; He gave me wisdom, He gave me discernment, and He gave me a teachable heart. He also gave me internet service and book stores which allowed me to investigate my pastor’s errant teachings. It’s more difficult to convince a deceived Christian of the truth of God’s Word than it is to convince an atheist. Your work is certainly cut out for you!

Thank you, Holly, for your ministry. I’m sure you get discouraged, but keep contending for the truth. This is what each of us is called to do. With all my heart, I encourage you to keep your eyes heaven-ward and your heart pure and obedient before our Lord. Remember that these same people who “pooh-pooh” your efforts are the ones that most need your help. There are no coincidences. They came to your site for a reason, and I’d like to think that it’s because God is trying to reveal the truth to them. So what if they leave angry or outraged; so what if they think you’re judgmental or jealous or wrong. You planted a seed of truth, whether they like it or not. God is faithful and He always leads to truth. Now it’s up to them to either respond to God’s truth, or turn away from it in favor of their favorite preacher.

God bless you, sister.

All my love, Lu

]]> By: Ms Growing in Christ through the Word http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-2#comment-826 Ms Growing in Christ through the Word Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:51:20 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-826 Christianity is a Supernatural belief system. How else can It be described and or defined? All of It's transpirations are supernatural. Thats where faith comes in. We accept what God has said about Himself by faith and rewards by faith and many of the rewards are manifested in the natural. Once we get to a point where we think that we can explain God away, then we become god. Deut 29:29 states the "The secret thing belong to God, but those that He reveals to us, belong to us, our children and our children' children." God deals with as as individuals, based oin what each of us needs in order for Him to accomplish His purpose in us. So all of us will not have duplicate experiences. We are all at different places alond the spiritual continueum. We tend to want to put God in a box, so that we can handle Him, rather than Him be in charge of us. We must understand that we do not know every thing, in fact, we know very little. If and when we seek the face of God, that which we need to know, He will reveal to us. Lets allow God to be God, let Him do the correcting while focus on the "great commission". Christianity is a Supernatural belief system. How else can It be described and or defined? All of It’s transpirations are supernatural.
Thats where faith comes in. We accept what God has said about Himself by faith and rewards by faith and many of the rewards are manifested in the natural. Once we get to a point where we think that we can explain God away, then we become god. Deut 29:29 states the “The secret thing belong to God, but those that He reveals to us, belong to us, our children and our children’ children.” God deals with as as individuals, based oin what each of us needs in order for Him to accomplish His purpose in us.
So all of us will not have duplicate experiences. We are all at different places alond the spiritual continueum. We tend to want to put God in a box, so that we can handle Him, rather than Him be in charge of us. We must understand that we do not know every thing, in fact, we know very little. If and when we seek the face of God, that which we need to know, He will reveal to us. Lets allow God to be God, let Him do the correcting while focus on the “great commission”.

]]> By: Ms Growing in Christ through the Word http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-825 Ms Growing in Christ through the Word Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:29:13 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-825 I came up on this site by what I would call happenstance, however as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, I firmly understand the principle of God's children's steps are orderes by Him. I am in my kitchen, and I get this very strong compulsion to look up Dr. Bill Hammon, and what do I find. So I know that my comment to the article relative to Ms King's entry in a well known publication. My question would be, has trhere been any attempt to contact Ms king for clarification on the questionable statements prior to disseminating what appears to be personal attack? Why are not time and effort employed in dispelling error with Truth ,rather than the personal attack? Is this the comtemporary approach to dealing with error? If so, it is not the one that Christ used . God is not pleased when those who identify themselves as His create confusion among the breathern. What message does this send to the non-saved world? I don't know either of you, but my spirit is severely troubled at this kind of behavior by those who kame the name of Christ. He is our example for ALL matters, maybe we might want to study His behaviors a little deeper, by starting with the sincere milk of the word, before we attempt to consume the steak. God bless you!! I came up on this site by what I would call happenstance, however as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, I firmly understand the principle of God’s children’s steps are orderes by Him. I am in my kitchen, and I get this very strong compulsion to look up Dr. Bill Hammon, and what do I find. So I know that my comment to the article relative to Ms King’s entry in a well known publication. My question would be, has trhere been any attempt to contact Ms king for clarification on the questionable statements prior to disseminating what appears to be personal attack? Why are not time and effort employed in dispelling error with Truth ,rather than the personal attack? Is this the comtemporary approach to dealing with error? If so, it is not the one that Christ used . God is not pleased when those who identify themselves as His create confusion among the breathern. What message does this send to the non-saved world? I don’t know either of you, but my spirit is severely troubled at this kind of behavior by those who kame the name of Christ. He is our example for ALL matters, maybe we might want to study His behaviors
a little deeper, by starting with the sincere milk of the word, before we attempt to consume the steak. God bless you!!

]]> By: Damon http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-808 Damon Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:54:35 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-808 Hi Holly, This was a real good read. Thank you. I am gonna bookmark it so I can link to it later somehow. Just remember sweety, persecution and suffering for Christ name,,, is a part of the calling, as they hated, they will hate. I know it is hard to take all the heat from all those who have been bamboozled by the likes of Bentley, Wagner, Hinn and just about anyone else on TBN or Daystar. Keep your chin up hun,,, and keep looking up to The Lord. YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB. Damon Hi Holly, This was a real good read. Thank you. I am gonna bookmark it so I can link to it later somehow. Just remember sweety, persecution and suffering for Christ name,,, is a part of the calling, as they hated, they will hate. I know it is hard to take all the heat from all those who have been bamboozled by the likes of Bentley, Wagner, Hinn and just about anyone else on TBN or Daystar. Keep your chin up hun,,, and keep looking up to The Lord. YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB. Damon

]]> By: Margrit Horch http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-818 Margrit Horch Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:14:40 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-818 Dear Holly, I thank the lord for you and your revelation of error on the apastolic phropetic movement.I am so thankful that you have exposed the false movement that has pentrated so many churches .I would rather know the truth than be kept in error and I am also so thankful to see that you have updated your blog. Unfortunatly my family has left our church because we learned that it followed Morning Star Min.If it wasn't for you we would not have known what was wrong. Please continue your upgrade of this as this false teaching is continuing to overtake the churches.I really feel this is so important to inform our brothers and sisters and give the warning.Thank you so very very much. May the Lord's blessings be with you. In Christ, Margrit Dear Holly,
I thank the lord for you and your revelation of error on the apastolic phropetic movement.I am so thankful that you have exposed the false movement that has pentrated so many churches .I would rather know the truth than be kept in error and I am also so thankful to see that you have updated your blog. Unfortunatly my family has left our church because we learned that it followed Morning Star Min.If it wasn’t for you we would not have known what was wrong.
Please continue your upgrade of this as this false teaching is continuing to overtake the churches.I really feel this is so important to inform our brothers and sisters and give the warning.Thank you so very very much. May the Lord’s blessings be with you.
In Christ, Margrit

]]> By: Robin http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-836 Robin Wed, 07 May 2008 00:29:24 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-836 Dont know Todd, not going to his meetings, unless God gives me a dream and that I know in my spirit I am to go. Todds a man, and no one is always right in this fallen world. God knows how to humble a man, and he knows how to make His servant stand. I wished I could find a body of believers in Christ that would just come together, worship and minister to each other. Just soak in the Lord, one has a song, one has a word........you all know what I am talking about. Yes we need leaders, but leaders that work( have jobs like all the rest of us) and love the sheep. Holly sounds like she has been hurt by leadership, don't be to hard on her, shes not a witch hunter. She has just seen alot of abuse in leadership. I am not saying she is right, just giving you all understanding. If you see a brother sining a sin that is not unto death.....pray for him. Don't uncover him, cover him......this is love. Dont know Todd, not going to his meetings, unless God gives me a dream and that I know in my spirit I am to go.

Todds a man, and no one is always right in this fallen world.
God knows how to humble a man, and he knows how to make His servant stand.

I wished I could find a body of believers in Christ that would just come together, worship and minister to each other. Just soak in the Lord, one has a song, one has a word……..you all know what I am talking about.
Yes we need leaders, but leaders that work( have jobs like all the rest of us) and love the sheep.

Holly sounds like she has been hurt by leadership, don’t be to hard on her, shes not a witch hunter. She has just seen alot of abuse in leadership. I am not saying she is right, just giving you all understanding.

If you see a brother sining a sin that is not unto death…..pray for him.
Don’t uncover him, cover him……this is love.

]]> By: AA http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-835 AA Tue, 06 May 2008 15:45:17 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-835 Way over 1 million decisions for Christ. DOCUMENTED healings of cancer gone, blind eyes opened, deaf ears hearing, limbs restored, etc. Lets see, do I sit around and judge God working through one of His less than perfect children, or do I shut up and pray? It's okay, I understand your need to kill the work of God like others with the same religious spirit who picked apart Jesus for healing on the wrong day, and rubbing spit in someone's eye. You stay here and destroy people, I'm out the door to be the hand of God extended to a lost and dying world. Way over 1 million decisions for Christ. DOCUMENTED healings of cancer gone, blind eyes opened, deaf ears hearing, limbs restored, etc. Lets see, do I sit around and judge God working through one of His less than perfect children, or do I shut up and pray? It’s okay, I understand your need to kill the work of God like others with the same religious spirit who picked apart Jesus for healing on the wrong day, and rubbing spit in someone’s eye. You stay here and destroy people, I’m out the door to be the hand of God extended to a lost and dying world.

]]> By: Chris http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-834 Chris Tue, 06 May 2008 14:16:22 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-834 I've not even had time yet to read your article, but am amazed that such a contradiction could be made with regards to a "Supernatural" God, who whether we like it or not is bringing in a "Supernatural" Kingdom. Why should such a question be suggested? I’ve not even had time yet to read your article, but am amazed that such a contradiction could be made with regards to a “Supernatural” God, who whether we like it or not is bringing in a “Supernatural” Kingdom. Why should such a question be suggested?

]]> By: walter http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2007/03/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/87/comment-page-1#comment-794 walter Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:39:27 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/should-christians-experience-the-supernatural/#comment-794 How come this website practice censorship and listen to prophets only of their own choosing? That is not only wrong but stupid! How come this website practice censorship and listen to prophets only of their own choosing? That is not only wrong but stupid!

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