Comments on: Why People Join This Movement http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64 A biblical response to the modern prophets & apostles movement Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:15:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Justin Rice http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-618 Justin Rice Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:01:27 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-618 Amber and I believe this article stands on ignorance. Spiritual maturity bring wisdom through the trials of life. I've known some who attend AP churches and watch them be released to grow even further in their walk away from the petty sins their old fellowship held them to a purposeful life (not a Rick way either). Growth is where God grows a fellowship. Many take interests of other saint's gifts almost to a point of envy. Paul addressed this in his letter to Corinth believers. If you don not have evidence of this calling then tinker not with it's wisdom. A depth of understanding is required after a longer walk than most in the church with our Lord Jesus. Spiritual warfare has increased on Satan's side as that creature knows well a judgement day is laid up for eternity in hell. Scrambling those minions to do deception and preventing lost lambs from finding their shepherd is their goal. Isaiah states sanctified fasting is releasing their bondage. The strategy is simple. Mapping is simply identifying and praying before the Lord an intercession by believers for the lost. The Love component is great in these acts. One characteristic of Christ in Spiritual Warfare was confrontation by authority. We submit to His authority in a manner as petition to our Lord to interceed. Tactics vary but the simple approach is ID it and knock it out with prayer. but this needs mapping and a bit of time for discovery. Satan knows ministers today have matured by spirit to knock the evil out of the park to so say. Many "seekers" have testified after being received by our Lord and sanctified, that they had sleep dilemmas and abrupt and rather rude awakening at 12 and 3 am. Lo and behold the wicked covens exercise a pointed release into their territory at this time on the week days. Confessions have been made to reveal their strategy and so Christ's church responds to the cries of those seeking him out but stuck in the muck of curse. Outside the AP efforts to pointed ID and release intercession prayer, corporate church makes broad strokes in their petitions. Together we succeed 100% with some more time required than others. I t has also been a constent that those false brethren swinging wildly biblical doctrine to denounce these ministries simply want the saints to counter prayer against themselves and excommunication is the fruit. Rest assured if a loved one seems way out of reach from Christ, and all that corporate church does is say get better, AP ministers commission by Christ's spirit will take that area strong holds down which create the stumbling blocks of many to receive Christ clearly and openly. Have faith and take care of what type of Good Berean you wish to be. Even they recognized that Paul's heavy sayings required a diligent heart of something they may have missed. And they were not ignorant to the Scripture. Since Satan and minions rule this website phenomenon WWW worldwide web, I would be surprised if this reply enters the page for others to read. And if it does, copy and paste for others to encourage them. Note: WWW is six Vs, Hebrew Letter 'V' Vav numberic is # 6. Amber and I believe this article stands on ignorance.

Spiritual maturity bring wisdom through the trials of life. I’ve known some who attend AP churches and watch them be released to grow even further in their walk away from the petty sins their old fellowship held them to a purposeful life (not a Rick way either). Growth is where God grows a fellowship.

Many take interests of other saint’s gifts almost to a point of envy. Paul addressed this in his letter to Corinth believers. If you don not have evidence of this calling then tinker not with it’s wisdom. A depth of understanding is required after a longer walk than most in the church with our Lord Jesus.

Spiritual warfare has increased on Satan’s side as that creature knows well a judgement day is laid up for eternity in hell. Scrambling those minions to do deception and preventing lost lambs from finding their shepherd is their goal.

Isaiah states sanctified fasting is releasing their bondage.

The strategy is simple.
Mapping is simply identifying and praying before the Lord an intercession by believers for the lost. The Love component is great in these acts.

One characteristic of Christ in Spiritual Warfare was confrontation by authority. We submit to His authority in a manner as petition to our Lord to interceed. Tactics vary but the simple approach is ID it and knock it out with prayer. but this needs mapping and a bit of time for discovery.

Satan knows ministers today have matured by spirit to knock the evil out of the park to so say.

Many “seekers” have testified after being received by our Lord and sanctified, that they had sleep dilemmas and abrupt and rather rude awakening at 12 and 3 am. Lo and behold the wicked covens exercise a pointed release into their territory at this time on the week days.

Confessions have been made to reveal their strategy and so Christ’s church responds to the cries of those seeking him out but stuck in the muck of curse.

Outside the AP efforts to pointed ID and release intercession prayer, corporate church makes broad strokes in their petitions. Together we succeed 100% with some more time required than others. I

t has also been a constent that those false brethren swinging wildly biblical doctrine to denounce these ministries simply want the saints to counter prayer against themselves and excommunication is the fruit.

Rest assured if a loved one seems way out of reach from Christ, and all that corporate church does is say get better, AP ministers commission by Christ’s spirit will take that area strong holds down which create the stumbling blocks of many to receive Christ clearly and openly.

Have faith and take care of what type of Good Berean you wish to be. Even they recognized that Paul’s heavy sayings required a diligent heart of something they may have missed. And they were not ignorant to the Scripture.

Since Satan and minions rule this website phenomenon WWW worldwide web, I would be surprised if this reply enters the page for others to read. And if it does, copy and paste for others to encourage them.

Note: WWW is six Vs, Hebrew Letter ‘V’ Vav numberic is # 6.

]]> By: Mark http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-622 Mark Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:51 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-622 I was a NCMI member, and can tell you that what you said is just not true. It might be true for the NCMI church that you attend but not for all. The church that I attended, NCF pmb RSA was controlling over every aspect of your life. They wanted to control your relationships and financial. They even had a lawyer who is an elder that they wanted everyone represented by in secular court. I was a NCMI member, and can tell you that what you said is just not true. It might be true for the NCMI church that you attend but not for all.
The church that I attended, NCF pmb RSA was controlling over every aspect of your life. They wanted to control your relationships and financial. They even had a lawyer who is an elder that they wanted everyone represented by in secular court.

]]> By: Sam http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-625 Sam Tue, 06 May 2008 13:02:10 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-625 Hi, Interesting stuff here and honestly I wasn't aware of this in the broader apostolic/prophetic circles. I just want to say though that this is not a true representation of some apostolic/prophetic ministries. I can assure you that NCMI (New Covenant Ministries International) has nothing to do with this belief in that latter rain stuff or any of this heresy and elitism - they just see a role for apostles and prophets in the church. The leaders actively discourage any notion of hierarchy, and further, they actively encourage local church governance through local elders/pastors. The Bible is the central source and final word on all doctrine, and prophesy must be subordinate to Scripture. I just thought it might be help to clarify that we can't lump all churches that believe in apostles and prophets into the same pigeonhole. Peace. Hi,

Interesting stuff here and honestly I wasn’t aware of this in the broader apostolic/prophetic circles. I just want to say though that this is not a true representation of some apostolic/prophetic ministries. I can assure you that NCMI (New Covenant Ministries International) has nothing to do with this belief in that latter rain stuff or any of this heresy and elitism – they just see a role for apostles and prophets in the church.

The leaders actively discourage any notion of hierarchy, and further, they actively encourage local church governance through local elders/pastors. The Bible is the central source and final word on all doctrine, and prophesy must be subordinate to Scripture. I just thought it might be help to clarify that we can’t lump all churches that believe in apostles and prophets into the same pigeonhole.

Peace.

]]> By: Jose http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-624 Jose Sat, 03 May 2008 14:13:00 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-624 I have been reading these blogs and many of them are very edifying. I am a born-again, Spirit filled Christian and I have a few thoughts about this meetings. I was someone who was very skeptical of the "slaying in the Spirit" experience and in the have refused to hold people when they fell. But I have been attending a few of the meetings and I have a different take on them now. 1. On the Apostolic/prophetic movement: I consider this as a result of a great vacuum created by our mainline churches. Most of our protestant churches have become "clergy religions". You basically attend a church service which has a good preaching of the WORD and good worship. But they do not venture out into the deeper things of God. They do not attempt to do any exploits for God. We do not see much emphasis on the "supernatural". In summary, it is basically preaching the WORD, without its power. The Lord Jesus Christ and His power is a lot more than that. 2. So the Apostolic/prophetic movement has gained attention. You cannot generalize these movements. There may be people at the "Christian International", who may be emphasizing the authority of the Apostles/prophets. The scripture asks us not to despise prophecies. We are asked to test everything and to hold on to the good things. When you see thousands of people prophesying, there will be room for error. Every one them need a local church and need to be under the authority of a pastor. I do have problems in accepting that C.I is the only authority in this area. Their contribution has been enormous and I have been greatly blessed by many of their ministries. 3. Speaking of "Todd Bentley", I consider that the man is genuine. The Lord has been using him. So many homosexuals have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior during his recent "Lakeland revival". People from Hollywood have testified of the impact of his ministry. Thousands have testified of the miraculous healing power of Jesus which was manifested during the meetings. I know of the pastors of large congregations who were at those meetings. The impact has been tangible. I did have my own problems in accepting someone who has tattoos all over his body and has strange mannerisms as a genuine man of God. But I am no one to judge. The impact of his meetings speaks out for themselves. If the Lord has chosen the foolish things of this world to silence the wise and the learned, who am I to question? I am not suggesting that Todd Bentley is foolish. But he appears like that to a lot of people. But the Lord who judges the hearts knows who we really are. He has never emphasized that everyone should follow him and join his organization. He is careful to to give glory to God constantly. I consider him as a genuine man of God who has become a mighty instrument in the hands of our great God. I have a lot more to say on this topic. I will continue to write if it is of help and edification to someone. Praise God! I have been reading these blogs and many of them are very edifying. I am a born-again, Spirit filled Christian and I have a few thoughts about this meetings. I was someone who was very skeptical of the “slaying in the Spirit” experience and in the have refused to hold people when they fell. But I have been attending a few of the meetings and I have a different take on them now.
1. On the Apostolic/prophetic movement: I consider this as a result of a great vacuum created by our mainline churches. Most of our protestant churches have become “clergy religions”. You basically attend a church service which has a good preaching of the WORD and good worship. But they do not venture out into the deeper things of God. They do not attempt to do any exploits for God. We do not see much emphasis on the “supernatural”. In summary, it is basically preaching the WORD, without its power. The Lord Jesus Christ and His power is a lot more than that.
2. So the Apostolic/prophetic movement has gained attention. You cannot generalize these movements. There may be people at the “Christian International”, who may be emphasizing the authority of the Apostles/prophets. The scripture asks us not to despise prophecies. We are asked to test everything and to hold on to the good things. When you see thousands of people prophesying, there will be room for error. Every one them need a local church and need to be under the authority of a pastor. I do have problems in accepting that C.I is the only authority in this area. Their contribution has been enormous and I have been greatly blessed by many of their ministries.
3. Speaking of “Todd Bentley”, I consider that the man is genuine. The Lord has been using him. So many homosexuals have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior during his recent “Lakeland revival”. People from Hollywood have testified of the impact of his ministry. Thousands have testified of the miraculous healing power of Jesus which was manifested during the meetings. I know of the pastors of large congregations who were at those meetings. The impact has been tangible. I did have my own problems in accepting someone who has tattoos all over his body and has strange mannerisms as a genuine man of God. But I am no one to judge. The impact of his meetings speaks out for themselves. If the Lord has chosen the foolish things of this world to silence the wise and the learned, who am I to question? I am not suggesting that Todd Bentley is foolish. But he appears like that to a lot of people. But the Lord who judges the hearts knows who we really are. He has never emphasized that everyone should follow him and join his organization. He is careful to to give glory to God constantly. I consider him as a genuine man of God who has become a mighty instrument in the hands of our great God.

I have a lot more to say on this topic. I will continue to write if it is of help and edification to someone.

Praise God!

]]> By: paul http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-621 paul Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:06:14 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-621 Maybe we all have a little too much time to look at "others". Not to be mean spirited, just saying things that maybe need to be said. I know way too much people that are "watchmans". Maybe we need to be less watchmans and more domans...that is "do"mans. It amazes me how so much people find its their duty to look around the christian circles and cirtique what they believe is wrong with others. "Balance is key Miyagi says". Maybe a genuine encounter with God is what we all need to get our eyes in the right place. These are not harsh words...just a little nudge to alert us to the real cause of Christians. You cant give what you dont have. And you cant do what you are not inside first. Maybe a little redirecting of our energies and focus is called for. Live the Kingdom! God is love and love is power. God can communicate any way He wants to his creatures. As long as its not blaspheming God then it might be God so watch out what you condemn friends. Maybe we all have a little too much time to look at “others”. Not to be mean spirited, just saying things that maybe need to be said. I know way too much people that are “watchmans”. Maybe we need to be less watchmans and more domans…that is “do”mans. It amazes me how so much people find its their duty to look around the christian circles and cirtique what they believe is wrong with others. “Balance is key Miyagi says”. Maybe a genuine encounter with God is what we all need to get our eyes in the right place. These are not harsh words…just a little nudge to alert us to the real cause of Christians. You cant give what you dont have. And you cant do what you are not inside first. Maybe a little redirecting of our energies and focus is called for. Live the Kingdom! God is love and love is power. God can communicate any way He wants to his creatures. As long as its not blaspheming God then it might be God so watch out what you condemn friends.

]]> By: Soo Nee http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-623 Soo Nee Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:22:41 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-623 How attacked are you for speaking out about these doctrines of demons? I should add your name to my prayer list. Those who don't recognize the very enemies of God are prone to defend these thinly veiled Hindu practices. How attacked are you for speaking out about these doctrines of demons?
I should add your name to my prayer list. Those who don’t recognize the very enemies of God are prone to defend these thinly veiled Hindu practices.

]]> By: dan http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-619 dan Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:56:54 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-619 feed the poor, heal the sick,cast out devils, preach the gospel and knock off the back-biting. love ,Jesus P.S. with so much work to do, and so many hurting people, and the dominion of darkness growing, how is it that you have some much free time to critisize each other instead of building bridges,laying down your own life and what you want, and becoming the body-of-christ. I neither condemn or defend these men you talk about,but I have noticed that several of them are currently on a 40 day fast to expose the sin in this nation,manily the church, and I bet while your reading this your chewing on your granola bar and sipping a latte. give me a break,seriously though i love you and if you belong to Christ you have to love me. So lets get about our fathers business and stp this sensless tattle-tailing. peace feed the poor, heal the sick,cast out devils, preach the gospel and knock off the back-biting. love ,Jesus
P.S. with so much work to do, and so many hurting people, and the dominion of darkness growing, how is it that you have some much free time to critisize each other instead of building bridges,laying down your own life and what you want, and becoming the body-of-christ.
I neither condemn or defend these men you talk about,but I have noticed that several of them are currently on a 40 day fast to expose the sin in this nation,manily the church, and I bet while your reading this your chewing on your granola bar and sipping a latte. give me a break,seriously though i love you and if you belong to Christ you have to love me. So lets get about our fathers business and stp this sensless tattle-tailing. peace

]]> By: Trey http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-609 Trey Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:26:31 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-609 there is one sure way to tell about a person or ministry.FRUIT. before anyone judges (which i remind you is GODS job ) let them examine themselves . questions like :what kind of fruit is my life in Christ producing in others, what kind of fruit is my family producing, is your life in Christ causing people around you to be better Christlike people, or do they judge and backbite ,bite and devour.6 things the Lord hates,7 is an abomination. think before you speak . Let God be God . We are called to serve Him and to be servants. Let the world see your good deeds and glorify God . Obey God (that shows you love Him ) and Jesus said He will manifest Himself to you. But if people would stop soaking in the flesh and start soaking in the presence of God the true church would finally come forth and we could probably tell it from the world . If you follow Jesus to the cross you wont be worried about anyone else i promise . but before you can be raised up , you have to die to self . have you ever laid on your face before God . Try it , Soak in the presence of GOD ! May God bless all you who name the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST . there is one sure way to tell about a person or ministry.FRUIT.
before anyone judges (which i remind you is GODS job ) let them examine themselves . questions like :what kind of fruit is my life in Christ producing in others, what kind of fruit is my family producing, is your life in Christ causing people around you to be better Christlike people, or do they judge and backbite ,bite and devour.6 things the Lord hates,7 is an abomination. think before you speak . Let God be God . We are called to serve Him and to be servants. Let the world see your good deeds and glorify God . Obey God (that shows you love Him ) and Jesus said He will manifest Himself to you. But if people would stop soaking in the flesh and start soaking in the presence of God the true church would finally come forth and we could probably tell it from the world . If you follow Jesus to the cross you wont be worried about anyone else i promise . but before you can be raised up , you have to die to self . have you ever laid on your face before God . Try it , Soak in the presence of GOD ! May God bless all you who name the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST .

]]> By: Herb http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-613 Herb Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:43:39 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-613 mike.. your heart is seen in your post. what you have to realize is this... once people sense blood, they can not contain themselves. under the mask of exposing error, some people actually only care about exposing people. they are not fearful of calling the work of the Spirit "occult". their concern is to say that everyone one is bad "except me" there is more judgment than love, and not attempt to do anything but condemn. there is bad/evil/sin in all types of churches, "movements" , and ministries. but that does not make them all evil or apostate. false ministries should be confronted personally, and those following false ministries should be confronted personally. it is much easier to blod as I/we are doing to "correct" people. you post on a blog about people loving serving Christ correctly and do so without having to have your own life in order. "warnings" have gone out to those who "soak" in God's presence, but a warning should also go out to those who judge a person without ever knowing them personally, or even confronting them face to face. maybe just maybe WE should heed the scripture about how believers handle confrontation and error. mike.. your heart is seen in your post. what you have to realize is this… once people sense blood, they can not contain themselves.

under the mask of exposing error, some people actually only care about exposing people. they are not fearful of calling the work of the Spirit “occult”. their concern is to say that everyone one is bad “except me”

there is more judgment than love, and not attempt to do anything but condemn.

there is bad/evil/sin in all types of churches, “movements” , and ministries. but that does not make them all evil or apostate.

false ministries should be confronted personally, and those following false ministries should be confronted personally. it is much easier to blod as I/we are doing to “correct” people.

you post on a blog about people loving serving Christ correctly and do so without having to have your own life in order.

“warnings” have gone out to those who “soak” in God’s presence, but a warning should also go out to those who judge a person without ever knowing them personally, or even confronting them face to face.

maybe just maybe WE should heed the scripture about how believers handle confrontation and error.

]]> By: Mike http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/12/why-people-join-this-movement/64/comment-page-1#comment-612 Mike Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:56:05 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/why-people-join-this-movement/#comment-612 I want to apologise for if the previous post sounded angry and , hypocritically, judgemental. i just want ppl to be careful not to stereotype, and in doig so, call the work of the Holy Spirit occult, because the Bible is veryclear about the consequences of rash accusations like that. Sorry though if I've offended. I want to apologise for if the previous post sounded angry and , hypocritically, judgemental. i just want ppl to be careful not to stereotype, and in doig so, call the work of the Holy Spirit occult, because the Bible is veryclear about the consequences of rash accusations like that.
Sorry though if I’ve offended.

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