Comments on: Casting Out Demons, Miracles and the Real Test for a Prophet http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32 A biblical response to the modern prophets & apostles movement Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:20:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Aaron http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-490 Aaron Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:53:01 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-490 Chuck Pierce has since updated his doctrinal statement on his website to finally include fundamental elements of Christian doctrine such as at least the mention of Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. If you are interested in seeing what Pierce's site used to say about what he believed, you can see former versions of the page at: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.glory-of-zion.org/doctrinestatement.htm If you notice when this article was written and up through at least August 2007. The statement of "What We Believe" did not include the words Jesus, Christ, Cross, Resurrection, Sin, Forgiveness, or Redemption. If the CROSS of CHRIST is not the first thing you think when asked what you believe, I do not know how you can reconcile what you believe with the Word of God that has stood as TRUTH for over 2000 years. Particularly, in the first chapter of 1 Corinthians, Paul is advising the Church in Corinth who is dealing with a seemingly similar division within the church. Those who were baptized by different "Apostles" (Paul, Apollos, Cephas) were fighting about quarrels of "human wisdom". And Paul responds: "For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power." (1 Cor 1:17; ESV) I cannot think of a more indicting critique of Pierce's teachings than without centering his theology on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, he empties the power of the cross of Christ. Paul goes on to say, "For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1:22-24) Chuck Pierce has since updated his doctrinal statement on his website to finally include fundamental elements of Christian doctrine such as at least the mention of Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection.

If you are interested in seeing what Pierce’s site used to say about what he believed, you can see former versions of the page at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.glory-of-zion.org/doctrinestatement.htm

If you notice when this article was written and up through at least August 2007. The statement of “What We Believe” did not include the words Jesus, Christ, Cross, Resurrection, Sin, Forgiveness, or Redemption.

If the CROSS of CHRIST is not the first thing you think when asked what you believe, I do not know how you can reconcile what you believe with the Word of God that has stood as TRUTH for over 2000 years. Particularly, in the first chapter of 1 Corinthians, Paul is advising the Church in Corinth who is dealing with a seemingly similar division within the church. Those who were baptized by different “Apostles” (Paul, Apollos, Cephas) were fighting about quarrels of “human wisdom”. And Paul responds: “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” (1 Cor 1:17; ESV)

I cannot think of a more indicting critique of Pierce’s teachings than without centering his theology on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, he empties the power of the cross of Christ.

Paul goes on to say, “For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” (1:22-24)

]]> By: Cheryl Leigh http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-492 Cheryl Leigh Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:53:40 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-492 I am pleased to see such great dialogue by people that have a good handle on the Word and Christian doctrine. All the Bible is valid for today ("All scripture in inspired and suitable for doctrine, correction and instruction in righteousness." 2 Tim. 3:16). To be able to rightly divide the word is the challenge, and by the Holy Spirit's wisdom, we shall do it. Since the gift of Prophet is listed in NT Ephesians 4:11 we accept that ministry, remembering '...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.' Rev. 19: 10b. I am pleased to see such great dialogue by people that have a good handle on the Word and Christian doctrine. All the Bible is valid for today (”All scripture in inspired and suitable for doctrine, correction and instruction in righteousness.” 2 Tim. 3:16). To be able to rightly divide the word is the challenge, and by the Holy Spirit’s wisdom, we shall do it. Since the gift of Prophet is listed in NT Ephesians 4:11 we accept that ministry, remembering ‘…for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.’ Rev. 19: 10b.

]]> By: David http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-489 David Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:21:35 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-489 Romans 14 Romans 14

]]> By: Josh http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-488 Josh Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:41:08 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-488 wait... is the bud millington above, the same one that predicted disaster on the east coast in a dream... the 90 days for 90 days thing????? wait… is the bud millington above, the same one that predicted disaster on the east coast in a dream… the 90 days for 90 days thing?????

]]> By: Jody http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-486 Jody Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:32:08 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-486 ~~~~ 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part. This is the Word of God, not my opinion. EscMatrix ~~~~~ So is this.... ~~~~ Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ~~~~ So...do the scriptures contradict themselves ? Of course not.... Many surely will and are doing things in Christs name.....and "many" as the above warning points out....are commiting acts of iniquity and proclaiming it is of the Lord....they are commiting acts of lawlessness. This is not Gods will....its their own. They are not abiding in Christ ...thus He knew them not. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. The Lords prayer for those who abide in Him and keep His commands.... Joh 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth. Joh 17:18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world. Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. Joh 17:20 Neither for these only do I pray...... but for them also that believe on me through their word; Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me. ~~~~
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

This is the Word of God, not my opinion.

EscMatrix
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So is this….

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Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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So…do the scriptures contradict themselves ?

Of course not….

Many surely will and are doing things in Christs name…..and “many” as the above warning points out….are commiting acts of iniquity and proclaiming it is of the Lord….they are commiting acts of lawlessness.

This is not Gods will….its their own.
They are not abiding in Christ …thus He knew them not.

Joh 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;

even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

The Lords prayer for those who abide in Him and keep His commands….

Joh 17:17
Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18
As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.
Joh 17:19
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
Joh 17:20
Neither for these only do I pray…… but for them also that believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21
that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us:

that the world may believe that thou didst send me.

]]> By: David http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-487 David Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:17:32 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-487 EscMatrix: Your opinion defends man not The Lord, please read a bible and stand up for the Lord. EscMatrix: Your opinion defends man not The Lord, please read a bible and stand up for the Lord.

]]> By: Bud Millington http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-484 Bud Millington Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:12:41 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-484 A note: The author uses Deuteronomy 13:1-5 as prooftext of the qualificiations of a prophet; and I don't have a problem with that on the surface. My complaint is this: Here we go again...the evangelical church insists the "Old Testament has been done away with" yet whenever it's convenient to quote the Old Testament to prove a point...suddenly that one small aspect of the Old Testament is valid. How convenient. But then someone says, "If you are going to quote the Old Testament, then it 's ALL valid..." and immediately the hue and cry goes up, "No...the Old Testament's been done away with...except this one small part that benifits me at this exact moment...like demanding people pay tithes to my ministry even though it's part of the Old Testament which my ministry says has been done away with." Hello. Is money really more important to us than Truth? But I digress. If you use the Old Testament as a proof text you are saying it is valid. But if you teach and preach it's been done away with, then it is NOT valid, and you cannot in intellectual honesty use it as a proof text. I personally am really tired of the evangelical Christian church pulling this deceitful sleight of hand. Honestly. A note: The author uses Deuteronomy 13:1-5 as prooftext of the qualificiations of a prophet; and I don’t have a problem with that on the surface.

My complaint is this: Here we go again…the evangelical church insists the “Old Testament has been done away with” yet whenever it’s convenient to quote the Old Testament to prove a point…suddenly that one small aspect of the Old Testament is valid. How convenient.

But then someone says, “If you are going to quote the Old Testament, then it ’s ALL valid…” and immediately the hue and cry goes up, “No…the Old Testament’s been done away with…except this one small part that benifits me at this exact moment…like demanding people pay tithes to my ministry even though it’s part of the Old Testament which my ministry says has been done away with.”

Hello. Is money really more important to us than Truth? But I digress.

If you use the Old Testament as a proof text you are saying it is valid. But if you teach and preach it’s been done away with, then it is NOT valid, and you cannot in intellectual honesty use it as a proof text.

I personally am really tired of the evangelical Christian church pulling this deceitful sleight of hand.

Honestly.

]]> By: EscMatrix http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-485 EscMatrix Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:51:10 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-485 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part. This is the Word of God, not my opinion. EscMatrix 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

This is the Word of God, not my opinion.

EscMatrix

]]> By: Jody http://www.SpiritOfError.org/2006/10/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/32/comment-page-1#comment-483 Jody Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:24:47 +0000 http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/casting-out-demons-miracles-and-the-real-test-for-a-prophet/#comment-483 Thought I would mention that those who prefer to straddle the main stream of society are now calling their acts of prophesying "vision casting". ~~~~ "I know my leadership style. I am a big-picture, vision-casting leader. . . . There is nothing inherently right or wrong about being a vision-casting leader. It is simply the way God wired me." enrichmentjournal.ag.org/...astors.cfm ~~~~ ~~~~ 'The best of the evangelical tradition is that you don't plan your way forward -- you prophecy your way forward,' the theologian Leonard Sweet says. 'Rick's prophesying his way forward.' (Malcolm Gladwell, "The Cellular Church," 9/12/05) ~~~~ http://herescope.blogspot.com/2005/10/rick-warren-vision-casting.html Thought I would mention that those who prefer to straddle the main stream of society are now calling their acts of prophesying “vision casting”.

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“I know my leadership style.
I am a big-picture, vision-casting leader. . . .
There is nothing inherently right or wrong about being a vision-casting leader.
It is simply the way God wired me.”
enrichmentjournal.ag.org/…astors.cfm
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‘The best of the evangelical tradition is that you don’t plan your way forward — you prophecy your way forward,’ the theologian Leonard Sweet says.
‘Rick’s prophesying his way forward.’
(Malcolm Gladwell, “The Cellular Church,” 9/12/05)
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http://herescope.blogspot.com/2005/10/rick-warren-vision-casting.html

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