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Absolute Authority and Extra-Biblical Revelation

September 20th, 2006 | 12 Comments | Posted in Twisted Scriptures

Apostles. Prophets and the Coming Moves of GodChurchquake!Some readers who commented on my last post rightfully pointed out that not all Christians who believe in modern apostles and prophets embrace the unorthodox teachings of the apostolic-prophetic movement. As I start this blog, I want to be clear: my concern is not with Christians who believe that there are modern “apostles” in the sense of church planters, missionaries or effective Christians leaders who have a calling to a particular ministry or geographical region. Nor is my concern with Christians who believe that there are modern “prophets” in the sense of Christians with the New Testament gift of prophecy or Christians who God is using to alert the church to something. My concern is with Christians who teach that there are modern “apostles” with unquestioned authority and “prophets” with the ability to give new doctrinal revelation.

Both of these doctrines are being taught by leaders in the fast-growing apostolic-prophetic movement, including “prophets” who are featured on Becky Fischer’s “Kids in Ministry International” Web site that I linked to in my last post. (Remember, Fischer runs the children’s camp that the Jesus Camp documentary is based on.) Bill Hamon, for example — a prominent leader in the movement — argues in his book Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God that modern apostles and prophets give the church new doctrinal revelation, saying: “He [the apostle Paul] also reveals that this anointing for divine revelation was not just given to the prophets of old but has now been equally given to Christ’s Holy Apostles and Prophets in His Church.”

Hamon devotes much of his book to arguing for the need for “new truths” and giving his own extra-biblical revelation, including the teaching that modern apostles and prophets are going to become so powerful that Christians who come into their presence with sin will be struck dead. Hamon also details prophecies about a coming “Saints Movement” and a “Kingdom Establishing Movement” — two movements he said that God revealed to Him must occur before Jesus can return to earth (movements involving a Christian army led by apostles and prophets).

C. Peter Wagner — another foremost leader in the movement, who coined the term “New Apostolic Reformation” — argues in his book Churchquake! that apostles’ authority cannot be questioned, even by the pastors or prophets under them.

Both Wagner and Hamon identify the apostolic-prophetic movement with the teachings of the Latter Rain movement of the 1940s, which was deemed heretical by most evangelicals. Doctrines the movements share include the teaching that God is raising up an end-times army, led by apostles and prophets — known as “Joel’s Army” or the “Manifest Sons of God” — that will overcome sin and sickness and subdue the earth with their supernatural powers.

These are some of the troubling and unbiblical teachings I plan to address in upcoming posts. I wouldn’t be so concerned about this movement if it wasn’t growing so quickly and becoming so influential. (I plan to show how the movement is moving into mainstream evangelicalism in my next post.) It’s my hope that this blog will raise awareness and discussion of these issues. I appreciate your thoughts and feedback. If I’m wrong about anything I say, please let me know. I don’t want to misrepresent anyone’s teachings or beliefs. Hopefully, we can help each other come to greater discernment and understanding on these issues.

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  1. Mary Says:

    Hi Holly:)
    You are not incorrect. Actually, I have been following this some, too for awhile and it is heading back to Roman Catholicism. I started teaching the Youth in our local church to warn them not to get caught up in it, and I am afraid I frightened some of the leaders of the youth group (whom the Lord has “moved on”), and I was without notification “squelched” from the position.

    A very good read on the subject is a book by Mac Dominick called “Outcome-Based Religion: Purpose, Apostasy & The New Paradigm Church”. I am including the link to it, if you don’t mind.

    http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=1025

    Dominick goes back into church history and shows how the “Religious Right” ended up going off course. He documents the inception of the Pentecostal movement historically, and eye-witness reports on what they observed. He documents also the First, Second, and Third Waves of the Charismatic movement. He follows the money trail and who funds and supports the Church Growth movement, in particular Rick Warren’s Saddleback church. Dominionism and Patriotic Dominionism is heading back to the church of Rome. Dominick does not take it out to its final thought. The Lord has shown me (based on my reading and study of the CGM, and Dominick’s book) and studying the Doctrine of Justification, that it is all heading back to Rome and a One World Church.

    It started in 1994 with the ECT (Evangelicals and Catholics Together) accord. Many Christian leaders, such as Dr. Pat Robertson, Jesse Miranda , Churck Colson, Dr. Bill Bright and others signed it.

    Then In 1999, the RCC and Lutheran’s signed the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine for Justification. They signed it in Augsburg, Germany on the 482nd Anniversary of Luther’s posting his 95 THesis on the door of Wittenburg Chapel in Augsburg. This officially “closed the door” to the Reformation. The United Methodist have also joined in on this Declaration.

    I have done extensive research on Arminianism. Augustus Toplady, the hymnwriter of “Rock of Ages” wrote an article on where Arminianism has come from and where it is going. It can be read here

    http://www.apuritansmind.com/Arminianism/AugustusToplady%20RoadToRome.htm

    The founding fathers were all Calvinists. It wasn’t until the Second Great Awakening that Arminianism became dominant here in the United States. It is also interesting to note that of late, that George Bush has said that he sees a Third Great Awakening.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/12/AR2006091201594.html

    I believe that Mac Dominick correctly assesses that the New Paradigm shift as an infiltration into the Pentecostal churches. There is also the consideration of Sustainable Development. Sustainable Development has a religious element to it. I think that is what we are seeing with a call for all religions to unite. Interesting note on that, too. From the Vatican website and other articles that I have read, it is to take place at a “grass roots level”…..In other words, “Trickle Up”.

    Mary

  2. the Borg Says:

    Right On Holly!

  3. Mary Says:

    Hi Holly,
    It is just as I suspected. The AOC and Sustainable Development are connected. (aka Local Agenda 21). Check this out.

    http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:zGR30nOcqkAJ:www.un.org/events/tolerance/tolerance05.pdf+Sustainable+Development+Alliance+of+Civilizations&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

    And This:
    http://www.bcca.org/ief/bicsd.htm

    It seems the AOC is the “SECURITY AGENDA” of the Millenium Development Goals, while Sustainable Development is the “ENVIRONMENTAL AGENDA”. Two sides of the same coin — all with a “spiritual dimension”.

    http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:uzr8U4MJhZoJ:www.wfuna.org/news/newsletter/unc52.cfm+Alliance+of+Civilizations+and+Millenium+Declaration+5&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

    Blessings,
    Mary

  4. Dan Says:

    Mary, Where are you going with your comments? Are you defending Calvanism for sectarian reasons? I believe there is Biblical accuracy that is contained in both Calvanism and Arminianism; however, both have scriptural inconsistencies when taken to an extreme.

  5. Mary Says:

    Hi Dan,

    I am not defending Calvinism. The truth is that the Calvinism is just the Scriptures. Spurgeon held to this also. Obviously, there are works designated to us from the foundation of the world (Eph. 2:10). However, Arminianism alters the work of the Cross and Christ’s IMPUTED righteousness. They maintain a strict denial that transfer of either guilt or righteousness is done at Calvary.

    It is imperative today to know what one believes doctrinally. It all hinders on the doctrine of Justification. Arminians deny the imputation of the active righteousness of Christ. Sanctification is progressive. For them it is not imputed righteousness, but IMPARTED righteousness. This is reminiscent of the debate between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism; the debate was over imputed and infused righteousness. There is a similar line of reasoning within Arminianism.

    You must understand the papists hated the doctrine of Predestination. Arminianism was the answer the Jesuits knew …that in “due time” would bear fruit. (i.e. bringing the Protestants back to Rome).

    What does this have to do with Joel’s Army and the Manifest Sons of God? It is evangelistic in nature. There is a way to biblically evangelize (i.e. The Way of the Master by Ray Comfort/ and Kirk Cameron). However, evangelism is being used by Arminians as a fulfillment of our salvation as their understanding of right standing with God is (the imparted righteousness mixed with our obedience).

    In the doctrine of sanctification, they consider PERFECTION to be a “second work of grace”. This perfection is not LEGAL, but EVANGELICAL, or what they call the fruit of “cooperating grace”. In other words , what is known as “Synergism”. To understand what the Bible says about our “cooperating” there is a very good biblical article on Free Will and you may be interested in it.

    http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_32.html

    For them, forgiveness is equated with Justification, not a legal transaction between God and Christ on behalf of sinners.

    How does this all tie in together? And where I am leading ? I first noticed this connection when I was studying an article on discernment of the Global Day of Prayer by Sarah Leslie.

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/global-prayer.htm

    Excerpt from the article:

    Latter Rain also teaches that Satan was not defeated at the cross when Jesus shed His blood for our sins. Part of the Latter Rain kingdom “mandate” is to defeat Satan, however that comes to be defined. Rebecca Greenwood, who serves as executive assistant to C. Peter and Doris Wagner at Global Harvest Ministries in Colorado Springs, has written a new book entitled Authority to Tread: An Intercessor’s Guide to Strategic-Level Spiritual Warfare.

    In a review of her book, C. Peter Wagner states the Latter Rain heresy that Jesus’ work was not finished on the cross. Jesus “has delegated His Church to continue the [war against Satan] by spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom to all the peoples of the earth.” According to this doctrine, when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples (at Pentecost) Jesus “gave them a command to make disciples of all nations. He authorized them to use His name and to move against the enemy in His kingly authority. What does this mean?

    It means that the war to continue pushing Satan and his wicked forces back by the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is now in the hands of the Church, the people of God. In other words, we as the Church are at war!” (http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word_pf.html?ID=3027)……

    So you see, Dan. The Doctrine of Justification and a pure understanding of Arminianism and Calvinism (predestination) is imperative in understanding where this is all heading.

    They use a term called “transformation” it is the grassroots of the one world religion. For more on where this Latter Rain/ Dominionism is going ….read here:

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Leslie/sarah.htm

    The problem with today’s believers is that they are ignorant of true sound biblical doctrine, especially in the understanding of Justification. Dan, I urge you to read the above articles. Like I said earlier, the Jesuits had a plan…..and it is being carried out by the Latter Rain (Apostolic Reformation movement), which includes Dominionism/ Patriotic Dominionism/ and the Alliance of Civilizations (aka Sustainable Development)

    Mary

  6. Dan Says:

    Mary, Without a doubt you have presented a defense of Calvanism. It takes a lot of courage and honesty and a sincere desire to know the Truth as revealed by the Word of God to look at ones own doctrines, especially when they’ve been taught it for years and years and years. If you were to look historically at John Calvin’s Geneva or the City of God which he borrowed from Augustine you probably would be shocked at some things that went on there. The reformers, including Calvin, did not come completely out of the Catholic church. Arminus came out of Calvinism and was greatly persecuted by the Calvinists as well as the Catholics. Calvin quotes Augustine time and time again in his Institutes. I have read the great debates between these 2 camps and know that neither side is usually changed. I think the best wisdom for a person in these perilous times is to recognize that both sides have errors as well as truth. I can clearly see the errors in Arminiasm, and I can clearly see the errors in Calvanism. I do not connect the Apostolic-Reformation of C. Peter Wagner, etc. to Arminius and I think it is a stretch to do so. I consider these doctrines of demons and damnable heresides that Jesus said would be prevelant at the last days. It seems to me that anything that differs from Calvinism is called Arminism like it was the plague. I am not defending Arminius, I just think it necessary to be fair in judging from an unbiased sectarian basis. I do not know a single Calvinist who is able to do that.

    I believe you make a serious mistake to loudly proclaim “The Doctrine of Justification” in the manner you do. You have only presented HALF of the doctrine–you have left off the important words, “By Faith.” From this balanced view, it is easy to see how each side is capable of taking their view to the extreme. I am happy to say I am neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian. It is so wonderful to be free from doctrines of men! I, an unbiased non-Calvinist, non-Arminian, would like to go over each of the TULIP points with you but instead of that I think we can AGREE Joel’s Army is the opposite of what is true, that the Latter-Rain, Manifested Sons of God, Dominionism, Word of Faith, Emerging Church, etc., etc. are completely OFF, Islam is threatning our way of life, the church is asleep or deceived, there is a great apostasy in the spiritual realm as well as in the natural realm and we better be on our face seeking God: “For as a snare it shall come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:35,36. I pray that we can stand together as Christians against the tide of false doctrines that are coming upon the earth, and when we appear in Heaven before Jesus, I am sure we will not be known by a sectarian lable. Yours in Christ, Dan.

  7. Mary Says:

    Hi Dan,
    Did you read the articles I posted on the origins of Arminianism? I wonder by your lack of understanding on the subject.

    I have read and studied it extensively. Being a former Catholic, and home-churching at the Lord’s leading for 18 months, I have been in the wilderness and am no disciple of man.

    You said, It takes a lot of courage and honesty and a sincere desire to know the Truth as revealed by the Word of God to look at ones own doctrines, especially when they’ve been taught it for years and years and years.

    In fact, of a truth, I prayed to receive Christ in my own living room at the age of 29 after hearing the message of Salvation on the 700 club by Sheila Walsh. (I am in no way advocating the 700 Club as it is promoting Dominionism, and Pat Robertson signed the ECT as well.) So, I have NOT been TAUGHT it for YEARS and YEARS, per your post. I have been studying indepently online for six years seeking God and wanting to know why the churches are in the state they are in. It began with “The Passion of the Christ” and the church we attended bought up large blocks of tickets to “evangelize” their friends. The comment was made behind the pulpit that anyone who did not support it was a hypocrite. Now, I am a former Catholic, and my father was a 3rd and 4th degree Knight of Columbus and former Grand Knight over his whole state. I was rejected by all of my large Catholic family for the sake of Christ. I am not one just to sit and accept anything that comes down the way in the way of “Christian Teaching”……MY studies on Arminianism came from Jesus Christ and His leading me. Just for the record.

    Taken from the online Encyclopedia.

    http://experts.about.com/e/a/ar/Arminianism.htm

    ORIGINS:

    The original Arminian party arose within the Reformed churches in the Netherlands, to advocate a revision of the Reformed doctrine of predestination, in favor of an idea of predestination that was more agreeable to reason and Catholic tradition.

    From the same site:

    Wesley and Finney
    The Wesleyan revival in England, which was part of the First Great Awakening in America, recovered the Arminian emphasis on personal responsibility. The Second Great Awakening, beginning approximately sixty years later, brought a widespread overthrow of Calvinism in favor of Arminianism in much of America, especially through the influence of the burgeoning Methodist movement and the Presbyterian revivalist Charles Grandison Finney, who aggressively advanced his own version of Arminianism as an antidote to hypocrisy and religious apathy.

    And this from the same site:
    ATONEMENT:

    Traditionally, Arminians have held to the governmental theory of the atonement. A substitutionary view, this doctrine says that Christ suffered as a propitiation in order to demonstrate the seriousness with which God views sin. This is in opposition to the Calvinist penal-satisfaction theory which maintains that Christ died in the sinner’s place and stead bearing the punishment due the Elect. Arminians generally have believed that if Christ took humankind’s punishment, then forgiveness would not be possible, for punishment and forgiveness are mutually exclusive. (See Hugo Grotius, John Miley, J. Kenneth Grider). Of course, Calvinists do not agree that the concepts of forgiveness and punishment are mutually exclusive.

    2 Cor. 5:21 “For he hath made him TO BE SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD in HIM.”

    Of course, this is just exactly what Calvin held to. From the same site:

    Calvin & Calvinism
    Anselm’s views were further developed by 16th century Church reformer John Calvin and those who followed his teachings. Calvinism, following Anselm, generally holds to a penal or punishment model, arguing that Christ on the Cross bore the penalty for the sins of those God has chosen to save, the Elect. Calvinism rejects the notion of merit, however, affirming instead the idea of sola gratia, or salvation by grace alone.

    SOLA FIDE:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide

    John Calvin, also a proponent of this doctrine, taught that “every one who would obtain the righteousness of Christ must renounce his own.” According to Calvin, it is only because the sinner is able to obtain the good standing of the Son of God, through faith in him, and union with him, that sinners have any hope of pardon from, acceptance by, and peace with God.

    A good article on the subject is

    http://www.the-highway.com/Arminianism_Exposed2.html

    I pray that you will be teachable and actually read the original articles that I have shared. For unless you do, as far as I am concerned this conversation is over. For your words express to me that you know nothing of which you are talking about.

    These articles were written by giants of the faith who saw that ARMINIANISM is the FALSE DOCTRINE that is coming upon the earth.

    Mary

  8. Mary Says:

    To Dan,

    I would also like to address two comments you made in your previous post. The first one

    I believe you make a serious mistake to loudly proclaim “The Doctrine of Justification” in the manner you do.

    My rebuttal: Have you been living under a rock? Read this article about the ACTUAL FACT of the CLOSING OF THE REFORMATION in AUGSBURG, GERMANY, where Luther nailed his 95 thesis on the door of Wittenburg Chapel.

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/rift.html

    Secondly, In response to your comment above ——

    You have only presented HALF of the doctrine–you have left off the important words, “By Faith.”

    Sola Fide is Latin for (By FAITH ALONE) taken from an online encyclopedia, we find Calvin did believe Justification was BY FAITH alone. I have not presented “half” of any doctrine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide

    Origin of the slogan
    Martin Luther elevated sola fide to the principal cause of the Protestant Reformation, the rallying cry of the Protestant cause, and the chief distinction between Evangelical Christianity and Roman Catholicism. John Calvin, also a proponent of this doctrine, taught that “every one who would obtain the righteousness of Christ must renounce his own.” According to Calvin, it is only because the sinner is able to obtain the good standing of the Son of God, through faith in him, and union with him, that sinners have any hope of pardon from, acceptance by, and peace with God. While this precise terminology—”by faith alone”—does not appear in the Bible, other than James 2:24, it is claimed to summarize the teaching of the New Testament, and especially the Pauline epistles, which systematically reject the proposition that justification is by obedience to the Law of Moses. Protestants base this on the fact that the New Testament contains almost 200 statements that imply faith or belief is sufficient for salvation. For example: “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies” (John 11:25)

    It used to be called lying and slander when one attributes falsehoods to a person/ or what they have presented. I challenge anyone here to read the articles and research it for yourself. It is too important to take my word or anyone elses on the subject.

    Mary

    You have only presented HALF of the doctrine–you have left off the important words, “By Faith

  9. Mary Says:

    SPURGEON QUOTES

    Hi Holly,
    Sorry for the double post. Feel free to delete one.

    Spurgeon is my favorite preacher. His Morning and Evening Devotional has spoken directly into my life so much that i keep a journal on when the Lord shares with me things pertinent to my personal life…..and of the 1/2 is copy/ pasted The Morning and Evening Devotional found online.

    I would like to quote from Charles Spurgeon.

    CHARLES SPURGEON
    QUOTES ON CALVINISM

    It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are truly and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. By this truth I make my pilgrimage into the past, and as I go, I see father after father, confessor after confessor, martyr after martyr, standing up to shake hands with me . . . Taking these things to be the standard of my faith, I see the land of the ancients peopled with my brethren; I behold multitudes who confess the same as I do, and acknowledge that this is the religion of God’s own church. (Spurgeon’s Sovereign Grace Sermons, Still Waters Revival Books, p. 170).

    I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).

    … and I will go as far as Martin Luther, in that strong assertion of his, where he says, ‘If any man doth ascribe of salvation, even the very least, to the free will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright.’ It may seem a harsh sentiment; but he who in his soul believes that man does of his own free will turn to God, cannot have been taught of God, for that is one of the first principles taught us when God begins with us, that we have neither will nor power, but that He gives both; that he is ‘Alpha and Omega’ in the salvation of men. (C.H. Spurgeon from the sermon “Free Will A Slave”, 1855).

    You must first deny the authenticity and full inspiration of the Holy Scripture before you can legitimately and truly deny election. (Charles Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 3, p.130).

    When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, and though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me. I do not think the young convert is at first aware of this. I can recall the very day and hour when first I received those truths in my own soul – when they were as John Bunyan says, burnt into my heart as with a hot iron; and I can recollect how I felt that I had grown all of a sudden from a babe into a man – that I had made progress in scriptural knowledge, through having found, once for all, the clue to the truth of God … I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, I ascribe my change wholly to God. (Charles Spurgeon, Autobiography: 1, The Early Years, Banner of Truth, pp. 164-165).

    George Whitefield said, “We are all born Arminians.” It is grace that turns us into Calvinists. (Charles Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 2, p. 124).

    Calvinism did not spring from Calvin. We believe that it sprang from the great Founder of all truth. (Charles Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 7, p. 298).

    We declare on scriptural authority that the human will is so desperately set on mischief, so depraved, so inclined to everything that is evil, and so disinclined to everything that is good, that without the powerful, supernatural, irresistible influence of the Holy Spirit, no human will ever be constrained toward Christ. (Charles Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 4, p.139).

    I do not come into this pulpit hoping that perhaps somebody will of his own free will return to Christ. My hope lies in another quarter. I hope that my Master will lay hold of some of them and say, “You are mine, and you shall be mine. I claim you for myself.” My hope arises from the freeness of grace, and not from the freedom of the will.

    I believe that Christ came into the world not to put men into a salvable state, but into a saved state. Not to put them where they could save themselves, but to do the work in them and for them, from first to last. If I did not believe that there was might going forth with the word of Jesus which makes men willing, and which turns them from the error of their ways by the mighty, overwhelming, constraining force of divine influence, I should cease to glory in the cross of Christ. (C.H. Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 3, p. 34).

    A man is not saved against his will, but he is made willing by the operation of the Holy Ghost. A mighty grace which he does not wish to resist enters into the man, disarms him, makes a new creature of him, and he is saved. (C.H. Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 10, p. 309).

    I question whether we have preached the whole counsel of God, unless predestination with all its solemnity and sureness be continually declared. (Charles Spurgeon, Sermons, Vol. 6, p. 26).

    Good words, indeed.

    Mary

  10. Holly Pivec Says:

    Hi Mary and Dan,

    I appreciate your interaction with my blog, but want to encourage you to keep the topic on the apostolic-prophetic movement. Otherwise, this blog could end up going all over the place, and I’d like to keep it focused on this movement since there are many other blogs where other issues are being debated. Thanks!

    Holly

  11. Mary Says:

    Hi Holly,
    Quoting from my post above —– I just wondered how my above comments are not focused on the movement?

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/global-prayer.htm

    Excerpt from the article:

    Latter Rain also teaches that Satan was not defeated at the cross when Jesus shed His blood for our sins. Part of the Latter Rain kingdom “mandate” is to defeat Satan, however that comes to be defined. Rebecca Greenwood, who serves as executive assistant to C. Peter and Doris Wagner at Global Harvest Ministries in Colorado Springs, has written a new book entitled Authority to Tread: An Intercessor’s Guide to Strategic-Level Spiritual Warfare.

    In a review of her book, C. Peter Wagner states the Latter Rain heresy that Jesus’ work was not finished on the cross. Jesus “has delegated His Church to continue the [war against Satan] by spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom to all the peoples of the earth.” According to this doctrine, when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples (at Pentecost) Jesus “gave them a command to make disciples of all nations. He authorized them to use His name and to move against the enemy in His kingly authority. What does this mean?

    It means that the war to continue pushing Satan and his wicked forces back by the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is now in the hands of the Church, the people of God. In other words, we as the Church are at war!” (http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word_pf.html?ID=3027)……

    You (yourself) listed C. Peter Wagner as one of the prominent leaders of the apostolic prophetic movement.

    http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2006/09/21/prominent-evangelicals-endorse-apostles-and-prophets/

    I was simply quoting from an apolgetics article that stated that they (themselves) believe that Jesus’ work was not finished on the cross. I fail to see how this (which stems from Arminianism, which the other articles give full proof) is not “on – topic”.

    No one is addressing this. Dan seems to want to take issue with the issue. I am simply stating that the foundation for the Latter Rain Heresy is what Arminians believe — that merely forgiveness was procured at the cross, but not penal-substitution which does not need anything to make up a “lack” that they perceive, that must be made up in evangelism. (a major teaching in the Latter Rain movement.)

    Mary

  12. VB Says:

    I know I’m a little late with this response–I sort of stumbled onto all of this. Call me simple-minded, Mary, and forgive me if I sound harsh, but aren’t you missing something here? While our neighbors are headed for hell, we Christians are squabbling and bickering with one another, and over-complicating the simple beauty of the gospel. This was condemned in scripture. I’m all for discernment, and I know that there’s a lot of garbage floating around the church (we were warned in scripture about the Church of the Tickled Ears), but calling each other “unteachable” and having to be right at any cost sounds more like what Jesus lambasted the Pharisees for than what we Christians should be doing. One’s brain may contain enough theological knowledge to fill a seminary library, but if the brain’s owner doesn’t temper said knowledge with love, it’s all for naught. We’ve got to be careful that we’re not numbered amongst those whose love will grow cold in these end times.

    Thanks~
    VB

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